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ALASKA AIR EMERGENCY LANDING HAWAII
Alaska Airlines makes emergency landing after engine put into idle mid-flight
Alaska Airlines makes emergency landing after engine put into idle mid-flight | Fox News An Alaska Airlines plane was forced to make an emergency landing in Honolulu, Hawaii, after pilots throttled down one of the plane's engines.Flight 145 was headed to Hawaii from Seattle when an oil filter bypass light came on in the cockpit. The flight crew idled the engine and declared an emergency, but continued to Honolulu where the flight was originally scheduled to land. HONOLULU (KHON2) - An Alaska Airlines plane was forced to make an emergency landing in Honolulu after one of its engines was idled after a warning indicator turned on. The Boeing 737-800 landed safely at the Daniel K. Inouye International Airport at 9:50 p.m. According to State Department of Transportation officials, flight 145 was inbound to Honolulu from Seattle.Alaska Airlines said that an oil filter bypass light illuminated for one of the engines on the plane. Following procedures, the flight crew idled the engine and continued for Honolulu."The captain came on the overhead speaker and just said that they were having overheating of one of the engines so they needed to idle a little bit to try to let it cool off but that were going to have to make a quicker landing than usual. And we were going to have a fire crew ready when we landed just in case. That's about all he said and then he got off quickly," passenger Carrie Mingle said.This was after the plane had already passed the half-way mark from Seattle to Honolulu. "A lot of people on the plane had written emails or texts to their loved ones because they weren't sure what was going to happen," Mingle recalled. |
Well let's be literal here, if it were mid flight, half way there, presumably there's less water infront of you than behind, so the logical answer...
Still, never let a sound decision go unquestioned BY SHOUTING. |
Where else would you
go mid-flight? There‘s an awful lot of water around....it‘s either RTB or press on I would say. |
On another website it was mentioned that the flight was approx 2/3 of the way there. No idea how true that is but if so, it explains the decision to press on.
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Originally Posted by Not Long Now
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Well let's be literal here, if it were mid flight, half way there, presumably there's less water infront of you than behind, so the logical answer...
Still, never let a sound decision go unquestioned BY SHOUTING. |
Originally Posted by CONSO
(Post 10133541)
Let me know when you find out on this new fubared site how to change font size.
You also appear to have made full use of that same CAPS LOCK key for your user-name too. A trend or pattern, perhaps? |
I assume that they returned the eng to normal power settings for landing. Thank Gawd they missed the orphanage, hospital and 'cute puppy farm'! |
Originally Posted by CONSO
(Post 10133541)
Let me know when you find out on this new fubared site how to change font size.
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Originally Posted by eagleflyer
(Post 10133534)
go mid-flight? There‘s an awful lot of water around....it‘s either RTB or press on I would say. There was a note that Maui would have been a few minutes closer but the difference was so slight they elected to land at the original destination of Honolulu. I suppose the decision to bypass Maui could be nitpicked, but not the decision to continue to the Hawaiian Islands. Oh, and remember, they didn't shut down the engine, just reduced the power. |
Originally Posted by Carbon Bootprint
(Post 10133601)
i asked this question in the feedback thread and was told it’s not possible now, supposedly in a future upgrade. However, I think the issue Here was posting in all caps, akin to shouting on this interweb thing. Or so I’m told.:rolleyes: Interesting to note that in two or three years of posting - this is the first complaint re my name being in all caps. sure glad we have some posting/ font size police aboard.Coming soon - the spell police and the acronym police. and do we now need a safe place for those who have been font or CAPS abused ?? |
Originally Posted by albatross
(Post 10133572)
I assume that they returned the eng to normal power settings for landing.
About 10 years ago I had compressor stalls on a CF6 on a 747 Classic, about 2 hours into a Turkey - Hong Kong flight. Reducing N1 to about 80% worked for a couple hours, then reducing to idle worked for the rest of the flight. UNTIL the F/O who was flying decided he wanted to bring it up to approach thrust on final. Within 15 seconds or so the engine chugged again, and spewed a good portion of our turbine blades into Hong Kong Harbor. On landing roll it started overtemping even at idle, so we shut it down. |
They went for HNL for the longer runway, landed F15 using OEI procedures, engine idled. Replacement engine already arrived via Hercules.
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It might sound simple, but I've sen it cause confusion in the sim. Guys are so programmed to a fixed scenario, leading them into a QRH, and following the instructions. Here there is a hybrid situation. The engine is not providing thrust, but it is not shut down. It does require the 'One engine inoperative landing checklist'. How much of the Engine Failure/Shutdown checklist does it need? Depending on the sharp end experience that can be a simple or confusing discussion. It does require leadership.
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Anyone in this thread know what equal time point (ETP) means?
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Originally Posted by aterpster
(Post 10134218)
Anyone in this thread know what equal time point (ETP) means?
Roybert |
Originally Posted by Intruder
(Post 10133650)
Probably not. There are several situations where the preferred procedure with some engines (compressor stalls in a CF6, oil pressure in a J-52) is to reduce power to a stable level and leave it there. The probability of catastrophic failure is reduced if you don't try to change the thrust level.
About 10 years ago I had compressor stalls on a CF6 on a 747 Classic, about 2 hours into a Turkey - Hong Kong flight. Reducing N1 to about 80% worked for a couple hours, then reducing to idle worked for the rest of the flight. UNTIL the F/O who was flying decided he wanted to bring it up to approach thrust on final. Within 15 seconds or so the engine chugged again, and spewed a good portion of our turbine blades into Hong Kong Harbor. On landing roll it started overtemping even at idle, so we shut it down. I understand your point but according to the report this was an Oil Filter Bypass indication. If there is no associated Chip Light, Oil Press./ Temp fluctuations or other secondary indications would the best course not be to return to normal power for the landing? Just a thought. I have no idea what the ECL for that aircraft states. However I wasn't there so well done that crew. |
Originally Posted by aterpster
(Post 10134218)
Anyone in this thread know what equal time point (ETP) means?
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ETP....same time required to press on or turn back. PNR....point where it is no longer possible to return to your point of departure. |
Originally Posted by scifi
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Could be the same as 'Point of No-Return', but maybe taking into account the time needed to do the 180 turn.
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Originally Posted by Pom Pax
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Nearly right but in the case above only in still air. Equal time point takes into account wind speed and direction. Point of no return involves your fuel state.
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