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pickers 11th Oct 2017 16:35

Ryanair uses all the runway.
 
Spotted this on You Tube..... Looks a little close for comfort!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8MdBVHF-_g

Big Eric 11th Oct 2017 16:58

I don't see anything wrong with the take off, I hope the gutter press don't see this as it's completely normal at Bristol and they'll write an article full of inaccuracies as usual.
It's best deleted from here.

gearlever 11th Oct 2017 17:39

People with their smartphones who don't know anything about aviation are simply so mad.... like most journos.

flyingchanges 11th Oct 2017 18:00

How do you think
that would have worked with an engine failure. They were barely off with both running.

OutsideCAS 11th Oct 2017 18:04

Does look a little on the "tight" side to me, albeit I'm sure the perf. calcs proved it to be perfectly legal.....slightly late rotation?

Herod 11th Oct 2017 18:33

So, someone with a smartphone filming from a passenger window is suddenly an expert on aircraft take-off techniques? There is another one on the same site, taken filming towards the tail. And there was me thinking a little knowledge, experience and examinations were needed. Silly me.

Contact Approach 11th Oct 2017 18:40

Guys that is tight and needlessly so. Like it or lump it.

JanetFlight 11th Oct 2017 18:44

Bahhhh...nothing special here with RYR...move on :)
As the old&wise russian ol'skool says...RWY was made to be used.
https://image.ibb.co/bMkfmG/p2.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/m1SFLb/p1.jpg

gearlever 11th Oct 2017 18:56

4-holer. Different animal...

fireflybob 11th Oct 2017 18:57

Assuming it's RW27 at BRS - the TORA is a little over 2000 metres, the TODA a tad over 3,000 metres. I presume no significant obstacles in the climb out. So on an assumed thrust take off you might be rotating a fair way down the runway?

BEagle 11th Oct 2017 19:05

Ignorant kids with their toy phones are suddenly experts on take-off performance regulation calculations, are they?

A load of twaddle.

HEATHROW DIRECTOR 11th Oct 2017 19:37

Just looking at the timer, it looks to me like a normal take-off. When the take-off lasts more than a minute is the time to get nervous!

RAT 5 11th Oct 2017 20:09

Assuming it's RW27 at BRS - the TORA is a little over 2000 metres, the TODA a tad over 3,000 metres. I presume no significant obstacles in the climb out. So on an assumed thrust take off you might be rotating a fair way down the runway?

If the runway end clearance height is anywhere near accurate, from the photos, then I would have been interested in where they would have stopped if RTO'd at V1. What is the StopWay at BRS RW27? TODA being 150% of TORA? It's been too long ago, but is that OK? It seems generous.

Harry Wayfarers 11th Oct 2017 20:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThoZNxy2JZk

Chris Martyr 11th Oct 2017 20:17

Posts like this one do this forum no favours whatsoever .
Unless there are facts to back up what the ZFW was on that flight , along with the days temp/pressure settings , then the whole thing just boils down to a few kids messing around with phones.
Not the sort of material one would want to see on a serious aviation forum.


Get rid of it !

5453 11th Oct 2017 20:21

Well, only operate at BRS as an occasional visitor but I don't remember ever rotating over the piano keys. That includes in a 1-11 and the 737-200 which didn't have the same performance as a738 or 320 ! How much of a V1/Vr split would there have been?

ZeBedie 11th Oct 2017 20:35

38 sec, if accurate, is a long t/o run, even assuming a full load and round trip fuel.

fireflybob 11th Oct 2017 20:37


What is the StopWay at BRS RW27?
Answer = zero, TORA = ASDA = 2011 m

casablanca 11th Oct 2017 20:37

Does seem like one may choose a different flap setting/or no ATM thrust setting?
We so often blindly just go with optimum settings, even though they work sometimes a little more margin may be better

BARKINGMAD 11th Oct 2017 21:05

5453, that was probably in the days before various beancounters' money-saving ideas all met together in a wonderful union of engine wear reduction SOPs.

It may be possible that derating PLUS temp assumed takeoff PLUS improved climb all combined to need the maximum concrete available.

I'm glad I retired before I was asked to lob these 3 together in one takeoff, far too many variables and reductions of safety margins.

Even with only 2 of them used IAW SOPs at Taba, my previous and last company managed to exceed the tyre speed limitations one summer season, due to an unforeseen shift in the crosswinds at the time.

It's only a matter of time before this constant pursuit of takeoff using idle thrust will end in tears, but the promoted beancounters will be far from the scene and the company by then.


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