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EDDT 2nd Aug 2017 11:19

Worker electrocuted during TS activity
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49Ra3Bc_fP8

A worker connecting his headset while electric storm activity gets seriously injured. Gladly he survived.

gearlever 2nd Aug 2017 11:43

Yep. Same happened at EDDF last year

Frankfurt-Flughafen: Blitz schlägt in Headset von Mitarbeiter ein - SPIEGEL ONLINE

ZFT 2nd Aug 2017 12:00

Spent a few hours delayed with an interrupted boarding at SIN last month due massive storm activity.

Does emphasise the dangers.

spannersatcx 2nd Aug 2017 12:49

So is it lack of training or awareness that they are on headsets in known electrical storm activity?

Capn Bloggs 2nd Aug 2017 13:05

Airports in Oz "shut down" with lightning within 5nm. Based on that video and the other zappo on youtube, a good idea!


Tu.114 2nd Aug 2017 16:02

All the best to the injured worker.

Nearly the same has happened at LOWG (Graz) a few years ago, but with a less fortunate outcome. There is a reason why ground handling is stopped in such weather, and it is no time for press-on-itis...

llondel 2nd Aug 2017 19:52

They need a big earth stud and large clamp at each gate, so someone can ground the aircraft.

Do they stop passenger activity during electrical storms too? If you're stepping in/out of the aircraft at the wrong moment then you may turn out to be the weakest link.

tonytales 2nd Aug 2017 23:21

Witnessd two lightning strikes involving techies and one involving a cargo loader over my fifty plus years. Trust me, a ground wire will dissapate a static charge but could never handle a lightning strike. I was walking toward an L-1049 when it was struck on the center fin. The ground wire, hooked to the nose gear evaporated. The main charge went down th e LMLG into a storm sewer A mechanic, closing the side accessory panels on nor. 1 engine had blue sparks reaching out to him. I ran toward his metal A-frame ladder expecting to see him fall off but instead he turned away from the engine and facing outwards, descended the ladder on his heels like a zombie. He reached the ramp and collapsed. Fortunely he was breathing and recovered after a few days in hospital.
Years later was standing by a DC8-51 with a mechanic under nor. 3 engine when it took a strike on the vertical fin. RMLG lit up and it traveled down, again into a storm drain. Interesting display of blue sparks between engine and mechanic. Ran over to drag him out but he was conscious, liked up at me and said, "Something happened, didn't, it?"
Third incident was down in KPHL. Had gone down for a problem on an L-1011 but a B.727-200 was struck by lightning. Again charge went down the LMLG into a storm drain. A ramie was closing forward baggage hold. Down he went in pouring rain. His buddies brought him into the locker room but unfortunately grabbed his feet and dragged his wad along the concrete, Fortunely face up. I met them in the locker room. He was out, had a pulse and was breathing. I was on a volunteer rescue squad so checked him for burns. He did have foot burns and hand and I heard later suffered from internal injuries.
Lightning is dangerous for sure. The first strike above was out of a cloudy sky but no thunder or rain. Same with second. Third, they should have stopped ramp operations. That's what I did in later years when I was in charge.

msbbarratt 3rd Aug 2017 07:25

Keep Clear!
 
Apparently an injury not uncommon on golf courses is burns to the posterior. Someone sat on a shooting stick stool is a better path than the surrounding ground. Lightning strikes a nearby tree, and as the charge spreads out from the roots it travels up the shooting stick, through the seat, and down the legs. Ouch. Don't sit inline with the radius from the nearest tree...

Grounding an aircraft through even a thick conductor won't do it. There's still a large potential difference across that conductor, so a ground handler also touching aircraft and ground will still get a hell of a belt. Best way is to stop the aircraft getting struck in the first place. Easier at the terminal / gate because there's somewhere to put taller lightning conductors, not so easy further out into the apron, on taxi ways, etc.

Dan Winterland 3rd Aug 2017 08:03

Wireless headsets are a good idea. We use them at HKG for this reason. A long lead will induce a charge with a nearby strike and shock the wearer.

Capn Bloggs 3rd Aug 2017 09:30

How do they work, Dan? VHF?

Nialler 3rd Aug 2017 09:46


Originally Posted by Tu.114 (Post 9850058)
All the best to the injured worker.

Nearly the same has happened at LOWG (Graz) a few years ago, but with a less fortunate outcome. There is a reason why ground handling is stopped in such weather, and it is no time for press-on-itis...

Yup. I was delayed for two hours in Dublin a few hours ago due to storm activity. While my wife was somewhat annoyed, I pointed out to her that the conditions were dangerous for the people on the ground. She relaxed. A couple of G&Ts were had while we waited.


As passengers we're all keen to get there on time; we know full well that for selfish reasons the airlines, the crew, the ground staff all want the same thing.


Nobody should be put at risk in the whole enterprise in order to get my ass to a meeting in time.

Hydromet 3rd Aug 2017 10:08

Lightning is quite unpredictable. A rare direct hit may result in nothing more than minor skin burns, serious internal damage, possibly leading to death or instant death. Years ago a woman sitting admiring the view over Megalong Valley suffered a direct hit. She suffered minor skin burns, but her greatest injury was to her dignity, as it blew the bum out of her jeans.

Often, injuries are caused, not by a direct hit, but by the potential difference between the victim's feet, due to a nearby strike. Cattle are often killed by a strike on or near a fence or metal trough that they are in contact with.

I'm not sure of the physics of it, but I've seen a report of a fence wire that was struck, that melted into length about 1 metre long. I saw a possible explanation that talked about resonance. I didn't understand it then, and have forgotten the details. Perhaps some of the techies here can offer an explanation.

16024 3rd Aug 2017 10:15

Isn't earthing the aircraft the worst idea?
Just thinking out loud as I'm not an expert. But it seems that this is just asking for the aircraft to get a direct hit rather than absorbing "some" PD from a nearby strike which will leak away.
Any experts?

allthatglitters 3rd Aug 2017 10:23

Whilst working for a large engineering company at Changi, I would be notified when electrical storm activity was around and the time of operation suspension. Also all over the exposed areas there where lightening shelters. Not seen any place else in my travels.

My first shift at Changi for another large engineering company, found a 5/16" hole in the A320 fuselage, behind the Fwd Pax Door where the airbridge had been fitted during a storm. Shock horror.

SMT Member 3rd Aug 2017 10:39


Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs (Post 9850716)
How do they work, Dan? VHF?

They're connected via Bluetooth to a dongle you insert in the ground comms port.

SMT Member 3rd Aug 2017 10:43

Quite a few years ago at an Italian airfield, the call came out to all exposed staff to seek cover from an electric storm. One employee couldn't be bothered driving to the shed, so he took refuge in the push-back truck he was operating, which was connected to the aircraft with a towbar. He sat there, head-set on and connected to the aircraft, when lightning struck the aircraft. His brain was fried and he died on the spot.

Don't mess with electrical storms!

Una Due Tfc 3rd Aug 2017 10:48


Originally Posted by 16024 (Post 9850745)
Isn't earthing the aircraft the worst idea?
Just thinking out loud as I'm not an expert. But it seems that this is just asking for the aircraft to get a direct hit rather than absorbing "some" PD from a nearby strike which will leak away.
Any experts?

If you don't earth it then the first person who touches the aircraft could get a belt. Aircraft pick up an awful lot of static charge just by flying around from the friction of the air, especially in TS conditions where they'll be flying through ice particles etc.

16024 3rd Aug 2017 11:07

yes, but currently, we don't earth them.
I know there's discharge wicks and conductive tyres to address the problem of static build up, but somebody was suggesting a gert big grounded post to earth it, and that is what I was questioning.

JEP 3rd Aug 2017 12:06

I agree with post #10.

A mesh of wires above the aircraft at the gate/apron area will reduce the risk of lightning striking the aircraft. Nothing is 100% guaranteed.

Grounding the aircraft or not does not make any difference - the lightning will strike anyway.

(Private pilot only - but long professional experience in lightning protection)

Una Due Tfc 3rd Aug 2017 12:22


Originally Posted by 16024 (Post 9850787)
yes, but currently, we don't earth them.

You do when you're being refueled, but that's to protect the bowser as much as the plane.

I seem to recall reading the USAF lost a few aircraft for this reason in the early 90s, ended up changing their fuel mixture as a result.

Ground power also earths the aircraft IIRC

crippen 3rd Aug 2017 13:10

I have seen a 10 metre telegraph pole after being struck . Nothing much bigger than a matchstick remaining,spread over a 15 metre radius and a 2 metre hole in the ground. Lot of energy to do that.

EEngr 4th Aug 2017 19:05


Originally Posted by JEP (Post 9850836)
I agree with post #10.

A mesh of wires above the aircraft at the gate/apron area

A few strategically placed lightning masts will suffice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_rod#Standards

charliemouse 4th Aug 2017 19:36

Normally several "risers" of charge ascend, at the same time the main charge descends , or several threads of charge coalesce and descend. One lucky riser gets to meet the charge coming down first, and so gets the full current. The "Lightning strikes" that don't do much damage or that people walk away from I am pretty sure are un-fulfilled risers. Getting the main discharge is so much energy it's not going to just burn your bum.
A dirty great alloy fin (tailplane) sticking the air is a good start to a riser (much like a lightning rod). Given the plane is wearing rubber shoes, I too am not sure of the wisdom of connecting the (anti static) earth with a storm overhead. It certainly wouldn't be me connecting it.
Maybe some meteorologist will be along with the full sp shortly.

tonytales 4th Aug 2017 19:56

I think we are all agreed grounding (arching) the aircraft will not protect against lightning. However, aircraft plugged into ground power provided by motor/generators can provide a big surprise. One graveyard shift where most weird things happened, we noticed a long tongue of fire erupt from the ground wire connected to the nose gear of an L-1049 Connie. It was the accumulated oil burning off then insulated ground cable. The aircraft was on the fence plugged into a 28V DC motor/generator powered by 3ph 440V. AC. Insulation had failed allowing one leg to connect to the neutral leg of the 28V DC power. A/C was happy, it couldn't see it. Ground wire did.
Power cables also can have faults. I personally think ground iris are. Good idea.

IcePaq 5th Aug 2017 01:57

Did I see something knocked off the plane in that video?

Dan Winterland 5th Aug 2017 08:31


How do they work, Dan? VHF?
As SMT Member said - Bluetooth. The ones used at HKG are these:

3M? Peltor? Bluetooth Ground Mechanic Hi Viz Headband headset | £197.00 | MT53H7AWS2-01 GB

Dan Winterland 5th Aug 2017 08:41

The way earthing works is it reduces the potential of the earthed item, or more exactly equalises any potential making the earthed item 'less visible' to an atmospheric charge. A good example of this is a yacht. My boat has a 45ft metal mast which you would think would be a massive lightning magnet - particularly in the waters around Hong Kong where it usually sails. However, the mast is earthed to the cast iron and lead keel by a 2" wide copper earth strap which from experience, works very well. Once, we had a lightning strike so close to the boat we could see the seawater boiling - but it didn't strike the mast. In the bay which it is moored, there are about 15 mono-hulls with keels and 5 catamarans - which don't have keels. The cats get struck regularly, but with the mono-hulls, it's very rare.

At HKG, the earthing of aircraft is mandatory.

Doors to Automatic 5th Aug 2017 18:50

I thought all ramp activity is supposed to stop when lightning is within 5 miles? This doesn't look like a so-called "bolt from the blue"

Ozgrade3 10th Aug 2017 07:40

About 20 years ago in Sydney, a teen aged boy was killed by lightning whilst batting in a cricket match. At the time there was clear blue sky overhead and a storm was brewing about 20km away. The lightning was powerful enough to turn a solid cricket bat into toothpicks.

Oakape 11th Aug 2017 01:32

I have read that lightning can strike up to 10 miles ahead of the storm. So you can have clear sky overhead & be at risk. Saw a strike in my neighbour's yard over the back fence while I was racing to finish mowing the lawns with a storm about 8 miles away at best guess. Needless to say, I packed up PDQ & the lawn waited until another day!

The lightning was quite small, like a piece of cord or small diameter rope & there was no thunder associated with it. I understood then how people get struck & seriously injured or killed while on golf courses or beaches with clear sky's above them & the nearest storm miles away. Personally I think 5 miles is not enough & aprons should be cleared when an approaching storm is 10 miles away.

Derfred 11th Aug 2017 08:17


Grounding an aircraft through even a thick conductor won't do it.
It might not, but I'd sure as hell rather be standing next to a well-earthed aircraft than a non-earthed aircraft if the lightning ever should unexpectedly strike.

I still might cop a belt, but if the earth cable takes some of the belt, that's less of a belt for me!

Loose rivets 11th Aug 2017 10:45

Dan's notion is about risers that trigger the main blast. However, I'm of the opinion, that if you want to protect the aircraft you should let it's potential difference, p.d., relative to ground, float to where it wants to go. While fields are building up, the whole (bonded) aircraft will become nearer to the offending field's potential and therefore have less attractive force.

Here, we're only talking about spray which causes sparkling discharges. A main bolt is quite a different matter.*

Two problems: one is if Dan's assertions are correct then there would be less of a chance of a strike in the first place. I put the question on a physics forum but there has been almost no response so far.

The other problem with the aircraft's p.d. floating is that if some luckless soul had one foot on the last step of some airstairs, and one on perhaps damp ground, he'll get the most serious case of nut-illumination imaginable. So, for ground crew protection the aircraft must be grounded.

*The entire exercise is about light spray of fields. A serious bolt of lightning is physics at is most ferocious. The voltage sheer across the area outside the plasma core can be a million volts per inch. Any notion that being 'static electricity' will be helpful you can forget. The currents in that core are capable of boiling metal.

Mindful of history. Flying a kite with a wire string is not the wisest of ideas.


Back to the aircraft. The only way I see to truly protect a very high tail is to have a dedicated Cherry Picker stationed right by it with a specialised rod pointing skyward. It would have to be seriously well grounded. Trouble is, you'd need one for every aircraft, though perhaps protecting a high value A380 just might give an umbrella of protection for smaller ones nearby.

Thick copper conductors for masts and churches seem to work well for minor discharges, but I suspect it is the ridding of those pre-charges that does the magic. Lightning conductors can be vaporised.

llondel 11th Aug 2017 17:57


Originally Posted by Derfred (Post 9858776)
It might not, but I'd sure as hell rather be standing next to a well-earthed aircraft than a non-earthed aircraft if the lightning ever should unexpectedly strike.

I still might cop a belt, but if the earth cable takes some of the belt, that's less of a belt for me!

The way it tends to work is that at any point in its travel, the lightning bolt will pick the easiest route to ground. Your big danger is that if you're close to the aircraft, it might determine that the easiest route is to jump the air gap between aircraft and you, then go to ground via your feet. The big, friendly ground cable is an attempt to encourage it to follow a known and predictable path.

The biggest danger when near a strike is the ground current as it disperses. The resistance of the earth may mean that two points a metre apart have a 5000V potential difference. This is less of an issue for humans because our feet tend to be a lot closer together, but it takes out a lot of cows if they're in a field and there's a nearby lightning strike.

Derfred 12th Aug 2017 04:01

An earth for a lightning protector doesn't have to be just a stake in the ground. For buildings they are sometimes an underground mesh or ring around the building to help dissipate the charge so as not to cause damage to building foundations.

What I've noticed is that the easiest path to ground is usually someone touching (or wearing a headset attached to) an aircraft. Surely an earth cable would help, given the only other path to ground is through thick rubber tyres.

Dubaian 12th Aug 2017 11:13


Originally Posted by llondel (Post 9859277)
The biggest danger when near a strike is the ground current as it disperses. The resistance of the earth may mean that two points a metre apart have a 5000V potential difference. This is less of an issue for humans because our feet tend to be a lot closer together, but it takes out a lot of cows if they're in a field and there's a nearby lightning strike.

Correct.

Known in the HV electricity trade as 'step-and-touch' potential. That's why HV substations have a buried earth grid round them. The fault currents, if something goes wrong even on a feeder outside the substation, can be of the order of 10s of kA. And if the earth resistivity is high that can give you a nasty jolt. Just from opening a metal gate or touching the fence. The buried grid evens out voltage differences over a wider area.

Bear in mind any AC voltage above say 65V or so can kill. That's why hand tools should always be fed from a centre-tapped (and earthed) 110V supply. Max 55V to earth. Deemed safe

icemanalgeria 12th Aug 2017 11:53

We took 45 minute delay in MXP few days ago due TS


Originally Posted by ZFT (Post 9849834)
Spent a few hours delayed with an interrupted boarding at SIN last month due massive storm activity.

Does emphasise the dangers.


OldLurker 12th Aug 2017 12:05

This is what it’s like to be struck by lightning – mosaicscience.com

neila83 12th Aug 2017 22:55

Fascinating thread, thanks to all who've contributed. Sad to read about some of those affected and it seems some airports are better than others at protecting their workers ( and passengers!).

Not entirely reassuring as someone who lives in the tropics and occasionally finds myself outside as nature unleashes its fury! When the lightning and thunder start occurring near simultaneously and there's nowhere to duck into it's not a particularly comfortable place to be. Also quite alarming reading about numerous strikes when there was no rain around. I know the odds are low but a friend's sister was actually killed by a strike so I guess that makes me more hyper aware.

Teapot Rebellion 13th Aug 2017 23:16


The way earthing works is it reduces the potential of the earthed item, or more exactly equalises any potential making the earthed item 'less visible' to an atmospheric charge. A good example of this is a yacht. My boat has a 45ft metal mast which you would think would be a massive lightning magnet - particularly in the waters around Hong Kong where it usually sails. However, the mast is earthed to the cast iron and lead keel by a 2" wide copper earth strap which from experience, works very well.
Earthing will increase the chance of your boat sending up a streamer. The reason for grounding is to give the lightning a low resistance path to discharge, to reduce the chance of it dispersing all over your boat and turning you into a human sparkler.


Not entirely reassuring as someone who lives in the tropics and occasionally finds myself outside as nature unleashes its fury!
As a child, I was in a house in the Alps when it was struck by lightning. My sister was sat two feet away from an electrical socket at the time. A side flash came out of the socket and electrocuted her. Fortunately, no permanent injury was caused to her.

Back to the original post, the victim's father posted this publicly on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/kyle.dunn.7...00556240050837


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