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Start Fore 3rd May 2017 04:45

Not in the least bit surprised that this lot would plow straight into a CB. This type of buffoonery is also common place amongst certain SE Asian carriers. It's not unusual for the flight crew to have the windscreens covered in enroute charts to provide shade, and zero visibility outside. Clever.

divinehover 3rd May 2017 06:45

Cumulus castellanus. Very difficult to see on a weather radar unless you are on 40nm scale or less

Nemrytter 3rd May 2017 13:41


Cumulus castellanus. Very difficult to see on a weather radar unless you are on 40nm scale or less
Cumulonimbus calvus, and matured into cumulonimbus incus a few minutes after they went past by the looks of things.

Austrian Simon 3rd May 2017 15:20


Originally Posted by Mr Angry from Purley (Post 9759007)
Article on Aviation Herald suggests Russian crews don't use the weather radar as they fear it will irradiate their man hoods

Accident: Aeroflot B773 near Bangkok on May 1st 2017, turbulence injures 25

To be exact, it is not an article, but a reader comment.

Boeing 7E7 3rd May 2017 16:32


Originally Posted by Start Fore (Post 9759494)
Not in the least bit surprised that this lot would plow straight into a CB. This type of buffoonery is also common place amongst certain SE Asian carriers. It's not unusual for the flight crew to have the windscreens covered in enroute charts to provide shade, and zero visibility outside. Clever.

Just like flying at night... clever.

DaveReidUK 3rd May 2017 16:45

ICAO type designators save time in posts, it's even better if you use the right one.

Aeroflot don't have B773s, it was a B77W (-300ER).

Airbubba 3rd May 2017 16:46


Originally Posted by Start Fore (Post 9759494)
Not in the least bit surprised that this lot would plow straight into a CB. This type of buffoonery is also common place amongst certain SE Asian carriers. It's not unusual for the flight crew to have the windscreens covered in enroute charts to provide shade, and zero visibility outside. Clever.

An Aeroflot crew famously tried to land with the windshields covered back in 1986. :eek: The results were what one would expect. :ugh:


Blind Landing on a Dare Killed Dozens, Paper Says : Soviets Disclose October Airliner Crash

June 05, 1987|From Reuters

MOSCOW — Dozens of passengers were killed when a Soviet plane crashed last October as the pilot tried a blind landing on a dare, the newspaper Soviet Russia said Thursday.

The paper reported that the Supreme Court in the Russian Federation sentenced the pilot, A. Klyuyev, to 15 years in prison for the crash at Kuibishev, 500 miles east of Moscow.

The report in Soviet Russia was the first known mention of the crash in the Soviet media.

It said the Tupolev 134A airliner was on a flight from Sverdlovsk in the Urals to Kuibishev on the Volga River on Oct. 20 when Klyuyev decided to try a blind landing as agreed on a dare with his co-pilot, G. Zhirnov.

Misjudged Altitude
At 3:48 p.m., two minutes before landing and at a height of 1,300 feet, he ordered the flight engineer to pull blinds over the windscreen and tried to bring the Aeroflot plane down using only instruments.

Klyuyev misjudged the altitude and speed of the plane's descent, the report said.

When the blinds were released less than a second before landing, Klyuyev tried to abort the landing but it was too late, it added.

"At 3:50 p.m. The plane crashed on the landing strip, made a gigantic jump, overturned and caught fire," it said. "Dozens of passengers died."
It said that three of the dead were flight attendants trapped in the passenger cabin but did not give an exact death toll.

Wanted to Test Abilities
Western commercial aviation sources said the twin-engine plane can carry about 88 people.

Soviet Russia said the co-pilot died of heart failure while trying to rescue passengers. It said Klyuyev, who appeared composed at the trial in Kuibishev, made the blind landing to test his flying abilities. It blamed the crash on his exaggerated sense of self-assurance.

The report said Klyuyev broke every rule on blind landings, which are allowed only on training flights and only if an experienced instructor is sitting in the co-pilot's seat.

Western airline sources said such landings were phased out by Western companies long ago for safety and economy reasons.
Blind Landing on a Dare Killed Dozens, Paper Says : Soviets Disclose October Airliner Crash - latimes

neila83 3rd May 2017 19:47


Originally Posted by Boeing 7E7 (Post 9760106)
Just like flying at night... clever.

You don't see a difference between the unavoidable fact of reduced visibility at night, and deliberately reducing your visibility, and therefore safety margins, during the day?

Of course, I imagine many crews compensate for reduced margins at night/in cloud layers by being more focussed on operating their radar and tweaking it, playing with gain, tilt, range etc. to get the best picture they can. And some don't...

Phantom Driver 3rd May 2017 23:44


Not in the least bit surprised that this lot would plow straight into a CB. This type of buffoonery is also common place amongst certain SE Asian carriers. It's not unusual for the flight crew to have the windscreens covered in enroute charts to provide shade, and zero visibility .
en route charts? how about pillows , blankets ? Recall coming back from crew rest once; approaching GT (Gilgit- "Hump Territory- i.e crossing the Southern Himalayas -(Grid Mora 29000ft or thereabouts ) on the China route for those readers who don't know .

Anyway, saw some weather deviation going on . Captain was busy doing stuff using the radar . However, the wise F/O was looking out of his (uncluttered) window ; (daylight flight) and giving good advice as to clear track through the CB line ; blue sky gaps in between the nasty stuff;

The captain insisted on following his radar track ( not bothering to look out of windscreen;( obstructed anyway) . Smooth ride through the weather , as it happened , but could have made life a lot easier for all by looking out the window . (remember the old saying ? " one peep is worth a thousand sweeps " .

But have to admit , no accurate warnings for CAT ( yes I know, you will quote CFP shear ratio numbers , but we have all seen high numbers forecast , and a smooth as silk ride ; and low numbers that have your teeth fillings suffering . The truth is , no one really knows ) .

More to the point in these days of RVSM is hitting wake turbulence from a heavy ( 380 , 747 or whatever) on the same track . Now , that can make your eyes water , even if you are in another heavy .

Start Fore 4th May 2017 02:54

Exactly neila83. Boeing 7E7 must be an armchair pilot.

Also, the bright flashes of CBs out the window at night are usually a give away. Not to mention extra attention paid to your weather radar AND its correct use of scale/tilt etc.


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