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RoyHudd 1st Sep 2016 09:47

Lajes anemometer
 
How is it that about 50% of North Atlantic flights use Lajes as an ERA, and yet there is no wind measurement available on the METAR?

It is a windy place, important for Nattrack ops (Air Transat know this well), and yet they apparently cannot afford a wind-measuring device. And have not for many months, according to current NOTAM.

Yet another safety and operational issue caused by penny-pinching.

Answers on a postcard please....

CRayner 1st Sep 2016 12:14

One less round in the bar should do it.Digital Handheld Anemometer Wind Speed & Temperature Measuring Equipment HoldPeak 816B 2424086 2016 ? £9.79

ATC Watcher 1st Sep 2016 13:07


Answers on a postcard please....
Lages is a military air base, operated by the Portuguese air force. They allow public transport use but they operate under different sets of standards and what can be U/S and not and for how long. .

On same subject , using airports for ETOPS diversions does not mean they have to meet all airline requirements . Basically all you need is a good runway long enough to perform a safe landing . The rest is a bonus. Narssasuaq comes to my mind.

galaxy flyer 1st Sep 2016 18:10

I've landed there any number times and always received a wind report, sometimes even when I didn't want it.

GF

Hotel Tango 1st Sep 2016 18:21

galaxy flyer, I think the OP was referring to the METAR.

Willit Run 2nd Sep 2016 03:01

I'm gonna be picky in an emergency?????? I think not!

RoyHudd 4th Sep 2016 08:43

Talking about planning. Ever heard of that? Ever flown ETOPS? There are other field in the Azores, which do provide wind reports. And the winds can be close to or over limits in these islands. Anyone heard of crosswind landing limits? They can vary for each aircraft, depending upon the nature of the emergency.

The level of contributors' knowledge on this site is often very low, which means many are amateur pilots or even armchair flyers. Pity.

BBK 4th Sep 2016 17:12

Entirely agree Roy.

Our ETPs are generally include a selection from the anemometer less Lajes, YYT, SNN, BDA, KEF etc. Why Lajes hasn't been able to give a w/v for so long is a mystery. I don't know if it's a coincidence but hasn't the RFF been downgraded there?

BBK

sangiovese. 24th Mar 2024 14:42

Still hasn’t got any one. Weird

brakedwell 24th Mar 2024 16:14

I remember it used to be very windy at Lajes!


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CW247 24th Mar 2024 16:17

1.) It might be very windy, but how often is it a cross wind?
2.) Not too familiar with NATS/ETOPS these days but is this a case of 'let's be careful what we publish. Too much information, and no one even gets to depart to cross the Atlantic!' ?

sangiovese. 24th Mar 2024 17:03

Well the aircraft can do 35-40 across so not a problem. Just wondering why it’s so difficult if the more dubious parts of Africa can manage it

oceancrosser 24th Mar 2024 18:21

Well if you are “el commandante”, just refuse to use Lajes and ask for Santa Maria. Simples.

FullWings 25th Mar 2024 10:16


Originally Posted by oceancrosser (Post 11622717)
Well if you are “el commandante”, just refuse to use Lajes and ask for Santa Maria. Simples.

Talking to those who have used both, Santa Maria seems to be the better option in almost all respects.

JanetFlight 25th Mar 2024 12:50


Originally Posted by FullWings (Post 11623037)
Talking to those who have used both, Santa Maria seems to be the better option in almost all respects.

In a case of a Medical Diversion i would prefer Ponta Delgada first, Lajes second and Santa Maria the third...but regarding only medical assistance on respective islands.

Mogwi 25th Mar 2024 12:58

Lajes is OK for glide approaches!

Mog

CHAPARRAL 25th Mar 2024 15:49

SMA is not H24: Daily 0745-2230!

aerolearner 25th Mar 2024 16:41

Just to put a timescale here, the last available reading of wind direction and speed is from Oct 10, 2017 19:00UTC:
https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/cg...&report_type=4

By the way, they have historical data for LPLA since 1946, which would allow the statistical-minded :8 to calculate the probability of an out-of-limit cross wind:
https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/re...twork=PT__ASOS

brakedwell 25th Mar 2024 16:42


Originally Posted by CW247 (Post 11622660)
1.) It might be very windy, but how often is it a cross wind?
2.) Not too familiar with NATS/ETOPS these days but is this a case of 'let's be careful what we publish. Too much information, and no one even gets to depart to cross the Atlantic!' ?


I was ay Lajes for three months from December to February and if I remember correctly the wind was nearly alway westerrly - down the runway.

swh 25th Mar 2024 21:25


Originally Posted by RoyHudd (Post 9496349)
Talking about planning. Ever heard of that? Ever flown ETOPS? There are other field in the Azores, which do provide wind reports. And the winds can be close to or over limits in these islands. Anyone heard of crosswind landing limits? They can vary for each aircraft, depending upon the nature of the emergency.

The level of contributors' knowledge on this site is often very low, which means many are amateur pilots or even armchair flyers. Pity.

if your planning the TAF should be used


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