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tdracer 29th Jul 2016 18:04


they want to kick the Pentagon into moving a bit faster on the Presidential aircraft
HH, rumor mill says the new AF1 747s have already been built. There are a couple white tail 747-8is that were built for a Russian operator that went bust (if you watched some of the Boeing Founders Day celebrations, one was parked behind the stage). The thinking is those will become the new AF1 aircraft.

oldchina 29th Jul 2016 19:10

So many of you are living in the 1970's
The 747 in it's various forms has been on life support since 2001 when Airbus pulled the plug.
RIP & farewell, you had a good run in those good ol' days

Andy_S 29th Jul 2016 20:02


Originally Posted by oldchina (Post 9455949)
The 747 in it's various forms has been on life support since 2001 when Airbus pulled the plug.

You'll have to explain that one.......

airman1900 30th Jul 2016 00:54

Early 747 photos - WSJ July 27, 2016
 
Some good photos of the 747:

Photos: Early years of the Boeing 747 - WSJ

airman1900 30th Jul 2016 00:59

Boeing Considers Ending Production of 747 - WSJ article July 27, 2016
 
From the Wall Street Journal, July 27, 2016:

Boeing Considers Ending Production of 747 - WSJ

tj916 30th Jul 2016 02:33

Anyone know what will happen to the two current Air Force Ones when the replacements are delivered?

I'm guessing they have pretty low cycles and are VERY well maintained.

tdracer 30th Jul 2016 03:05


Anyone know what will happen to the two current Air Force Ones when the replacements are delivered?

The previous Air Force One aircraft have ended up in museums (there are several at the USAF Museum in Dayton, Ohio, one of the two 707s is at the Museum of Flight in Seattle).
I'd expect the current AF1 to have a similar fate.

airman1900 30th Jul 2016 03:21


Anyone know what will happen to the two current Air Force Ones when the replacements are delivered?
You could save taxpayers' money and part it out for the four Air Force E-4B(747-200) Advanced Airborne Command Post.

slatch 30th Jul 2016 04:13

As far as I know VC-137C, SAM 26000 is at National Museum of the United States Air Force at Wright-Patterson AFB , VC-137C, SAM 27000 is in the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library.

glofish 30th Jul 2016 07:10

You can twist it and turn it as many times as you want. You can build in a nose-door, a shower and a bar: The four-holers are doomed.

They certainly have a niche they fill nicely, but never enough numbers to make a production line and operation profitable.

Airbus is bleeding, Emirates is bleeding and Boeing bleeding with their four-holers and no spin can save them.

The Ancient Geek 30th Jul 2016 13:41

Airbus is breaking even on the A380, Emirates is making loadsamoney and Boeing is bleeding. Passengers love the A380, the problem is that only a limited number of routes can justify it.

glofish 30th Jul 2016 13:55


Airbus is breaking even on the A380
.... that's probably why they discuss shutting down production ......


Emirates is making loadsamoney
.... that's probably why they want to hire the renowned crisis manager Christoph Mueller ....


and Boeing is bleeding
.... on the 748, yes, otherwise no ....


Passengers love the A380
.... yes, and they also loved the Concorde ....


the problem is that only a limited number of routes can justify it
.... now you're getting a tad closer ....


and Greece has a balanced budget
.... about as true as the first quote ....

Keep on dreaming of ancient times buddy!

DingerX 31st Jul 2016 08:07

Airbus is pretty much resigned to the fact that the A380 project was a colossal loss of money. They could have seen it too, if they weren't collectively blinded by the desire to make something really big.
Emirates is making tons of cash. Last year, they cleared over $2 billion in profits. Of course, cheap fuel plays a role, and, with low oil prices, Dubai's losing a lot of businesses, so you can expect them to be hauling less Organic Californian Arugula underneath. Still, their close relationship with the government, which maintains a "business-friendly" (cough) economy, keeps costs down.
Passengers love the A380. They love it for a number of reasons. It's quiet, for example. Not just because of quieter engines and better soundproofing, but also because there's fewer people sitting in those seats. No passenger ever said "It was great, the plane was completely full!"

With the 748 on its way out, and the 777X sounding increasingly like the MD-11 of this generation, Boeing's going to need a new large twin.

Heathrow Harry 31st Jul 2016 08:34

their accountants reckon they're breaking even on the A.380

Mr B has a long way to go on the 787 and will never make it on the KC-46 but I expect all 3 will continue in production because, TBH , there's always the cash flow now the development costs are written off and few senior managers have been fired..................

DingerX 31st Jul 2016 10:39

They're breaking even in the sense that each Skytanic™ they build costs them about what they're selling it for, before taking into consideration development costs.
In other words it was a loss of money; it's not losing money any more.
The 787 is still losing money at a dizzying rate. It turns out supply-line outsourcing trades a minor saving in measurable costs for immeasurably huge costs. Mr. B could have known that if he looked at what was happening with to the A380 in development, but I guess he was too busy playing golf with CEOs in Chicago and got burned.

philbky 31st Jul 2016 14:11

Confusio, on which routes are fewer passengers sitting in A380 seats? Certainly not on Emirates UK routes, or are you just confused?

Cliff Secord 1st Aug 2016 00:30

Well all you boring old lot can talk like accountants for all you're worth. I know it's financially doomed. That's accountants stuff and I'll let the accountants on accountant forums talk about that.

But I'm a pilot. And as a pilot, quite simply the 747 was the most glorious, iconic drop dead gorgeous aircraft I've ever flown. It will always be a film star.

Like the spit, mustang, Lanc and Concorde, it's the one aircraft the public knew the name and shape of, and it was a mighty mighty beast. a true air - liner.

I don't ever see an A380/787/350 pilot getting the same "thing", despite the press trying to steal the moniker to the a380 as the "jumbo", the public will always be clueless. The world will have airline pilots who flew the jumbo and those that wished they'd had a chance at the bird. And I'm glad by luck more than my old skill I did have that chance :-)

vapilot2004 1st Aug 2016 01:54


Anyone know what will happen to the two current Air Force Ones when the replacements are delivered?
After retirement, SAM 28000 and 29000 will most likely end up at a Presidential Library or Air Force Museum. Possibly one could get a spot at the Udvar-Hazy Air and Space Annex located west of the Capital and just south of Dulles Airport.

Xiamen 1st Aug 2016 04:22


Confusio, on which routes are fewer passengers sitting in A380 seats? Certainly not on Emirates UK routes, or are you just confused?
Last time I was a non rev on an EK 380 it had 150 seats available.
Last time I was a non rev on an EK 777 the whole economy centre section was empty.
Two flights are in no way representative, but EK flies to other places than UK.

Heathrow Harry 2nd Aug 2016 13:45

I see Boeing still have to recoop $31 Bn on the 787 - they're planning to spread it over the next 900 airframes to reach break even - they've sold around 750 so far

Fingers crossed there is no down-turn............


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