was a passport not needed for a domestic flight? |
@ Denti and DaveReidUK
Incorrect attribution removed. @Denti: did not pick up on your link earlier, thanks for that as well. |
SLFGuy
The idiot on the right is allegedly a Health & Safety auditor. I wouldn't have thought that job includes being trained to spot and deal with a Bomb, or IED, and weapon detection situation. He did, which suggests he is an idiot. A gurning idiot at that, IMO. |
Hi all - see this link to what was said on the flight. EgyptAir Hijack Passenger Reveals Fiasco Over Frozen Chicken Amid Flight Terror
Leaving aside the seriousness of this incident, which clearly raises even more questions than before about the 'up' and 'brewery' level of Egyptian aviation security. |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 9328066)
If the attribution is incorrect, please advise and I'll update/edit.
Instead of "Aviation expert David Learmont tells the BBC that the pilot should not have followed the hijacker's instructions." Even with hindsight, it's hard to argue with that. |
Originally Posted by Phoenix1969
(Post 9328149)
Leaving aside the seriousness of this incident, which clearly raises even more questions than before about the 'up' and 'brewery' level of Egyptian aviation security.
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Security pre-boarding IS farcical, as I think any grownup knows. Any biro pen, or indeed pencil, is totally lethal when wielded by someone with knowledge, yet I am allowed through with both, whereas my wife forgot to put our corkscrew/ bottle opener, sommelier-type, in the hold bag and was deprived of it. The blade was a full inch/3cm long, and blunt as buggery.
One of these haha stag party groups, all with pens, could do a very passable hijacking. I am not complaining about loss of opener: anyone needing a drink will find a way to open a bottle! Liquid in containers? ........ keep below the limit and add ingredients in the bog. At every airport security en-route Heathrow-Dubai-Singapore-Brisbane-Perth-Singapore-Dubai it was apparent that the shoe/boot check was random. At one of these, staff were passing ground side to airside without checks, right before my eyes. Farcical. |
Originally Posted by falcon12
(Post 9328081)
SLFGuy
The idiot on the right is allegedly a Health & Safety auditor. I wouldn't have thought that job includes being trained to spot and deal with a Bomb, or IED, and weapon detection situation. He did, which suggests he is an idiot. A gurning idiot at that, IMO. |
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 9328157)
As I, and others, pointed out in a previous post, you will not find that quote on the BBC website, as it is almost the complete opposite of what DL actually said.
Instead of he in fact suggested that the captain's understandable lack of faith in Egyptian airport security meant that compliance with the hijacker's demands was a far more prudent option than calling his bluff. Even with hindsight, it's hard to argue with that. |
At what point of the hijack was the selfie taken?
p.s. If taken by another person, is it still a 'selfie'? |
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 9328157)
he in fact suggested that the captain's understandable lack of faith in Egyptian airport security meant that compliance with the hijacker's demands was a far more prudent option than calling his bluff.
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Basil......No.
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Stupid, idiot, imbecile, nut case... matters not what best fits the hijacker. The fact remains he hijacked an aircraft. The sentence for such a crime in the UK as prescribed under the Aviation Security Act 1982 is life imprisonment. I suppose all the journalistic crap will help him no end to avoid trial as non compos mentis, especially if his so called suicide vest turns out to have been fashioned out of a straight jacket. I do sincerely hope.straight jacket or not, there is no such plea in Egypt.That is if the Egyptians manage to get him out of Cyprus .
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How soon after departure was the 'hijack' effected?
The suspect allegedly commandeered the aircraft 15 minutes after takeoff from Alexandria. (from Reuters) It's emerging now that this guy has been deported previously from Cyprus after arriving on false papers (reported on BBC Radio Five). |
At what point of the hijack was the selfie taken? Half an hour into the 6 hour hijacking. |
In that case the suggestion that the other chap was having a look at the vest is plausible as is the likelyhood that forming a personal bond with the hijacker reduces his will to detonate a viable device. |
It seems the selfie guy wasn't so dumb after all. He wanted it done so the pic would identify the hijacker and the crew were in on the act.
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I must take exception with the Learmont " Monday morning expert", analysis of the Commanders decision. With an unrestrained psychotic personality on board, whether explosively armed or not, the result is a hijack at least, and carnage at most. The best place for this aircraft was on the deck, in friendly harbor. I have found in years past, CAI, as somewhat lax security wise, I'm sure tightened now, but with underwear, sock and other garment ideas, diversion was the only smart operational option.
Safe Journies...Sushi |
crewmeal
TBH seems to me the "selfie" gentleman has been changing his story every five minutes since he got home and got a flea in his ear from his Mum. http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...rom-his-mother ...and frankly if the crew were "in on the act" and encouraged a passenger to pull this stunt then :mad: |
Originally Posted by alldaysushi
(Post 9329609)
I must take exception with the Learmont " Monday morning expert", analysis of the Commanders decision.
Oh, and it's Learmount. |
Airport security
(Disclaimer: SLF)
I wonder if Learmount considers e.g. US airports as safe and would ask the captain to ignore the hijacker. There are articles like this: EXCLUSIVE: Undercover DHS Tests Find Security Failures at US Airports - ABC News (Article from mid-2015) Assuming the article is reasonably close to the truth (and I have no reason to believe otherwise), as an SLF I'd prefer the captain to err on the side of caution, accede to the demands of the hijacker and land as quickly as practical. |
The same happens all over the first world, not to mention the rest of it all, time and time again.
Airport security is largely window dressing, and only good to discourage the stupid and impressionable ones. So yes, the crew has to make a decision based on the information at hand and weighing in all they can about passenger aircraft safety and security. |
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Monty Python’s Flying Circus
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The YT video is bizarre. It's interesting that in the comments appended to it there's a split response. One one hand some people believe that the crew and passengers actions served (intentionally?) to reduce the tension in the situation - and thereby reduce the chance of the hijacker acting unpredictably.
Others react as I did when I initially watched it - "these people are idiots..." But any way you view it, the compulsion to take mobile phone snaps of every situation that occurs in life has become so powerful that it even seems to over-ride the instinct for self-preservation. |
Would he have been taken seriously if it had happened today. The whole thing has become as farcical as that !
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It would seem that if the hijacker was in a good mood (I'm going to prove to my ex just how much I love her and will win her back!!!) then keeping things light and jovial so that he stays in a good mood would be wise. Quite possibly they were pretty sure the belt was a fake, but one way or another they had somebody on board who wasn't playing with a full deck and it was better to play along.
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Originally Posted by skridlov
(Post 9330028)
The YT video is bizarre. It's interesting that in the comments appended to it there's a split response. One one hand some people believe that the crew and passengers actions served (intentionally?) to reduce the tension in the situation - and thereby reduce the chance of the hijacker acting unpredictably.
Others react as I did when I initially watched it - "these people are idiots..." But any way you view it, the compulsion to take mobile phone snaps of every situation that occurs in life has become so powerful that it even seems to over-ride the instinct for self-preservation. So maybe this was quite a smart move by this guy? |
How do you know?
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BBC interview - why I posed for photo with the hijacker
EgyptAir hijack: 'Why I posed for photograph with hijacker' - BBC News
Before I saw this, my opinion of Ben Innes was 'idiot' but after I had heard his reasons he went a long way up in my estimation. |
He's had a lot of time to think about why he did it - people's post hoc explanations for why they do things are not always as accurate as they might sound. Not necessarily because they are lying - but we don't always have a great deal of insight into why we do impulsive things.
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