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hoss183 15th Feb 2016 09:17

Plane, money, dead body
 
Sounds like something from a fiction novel...
http://www.herald.co.zw/caaz-impound...ound-on-board/

Loadesgalore 15th Feb 2016 12:11

Curious how WGA allowed to operate out of the EU? Rumour has it that it was using a Bambi callsign "AJK", from Nigeria. Also sounds like it couldn't reach South Africa in one hop. Did they miscalculate the fuel required.

Can't wait to read more, if it ever gets published!

Basil 15th Feb 2016 13:25

Banknotes: In transit from printer to central bank?
Body: FO spoke back to captain once too often? ;)

EEngr 15th Feb 2016 15:55

Sounds like WGA might be the next Air America. ;)

Airbubba 15th Feb 2016 16:16

From the article linked above:


The last time Zimbabwean civil aviation authorities impounded a foreign plane was in 2004 when the authorities arrested a planeload of 64 mercenaries who wanted to take part in a coup in Equatorial Guinea.
Here's a PPRuNe discussion of that seizure and the politics involved:

http://www.pprune.org/african-aviati...rcenaries.html

And a follow up thread about a pardon for some involved:

http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/3945...e-outcome.html

Herod 15th Feb 2016 16:21

The refuel crew noticed blood leaking from the plane? How much blood was there?

ironbutt57 15th Feb 2016 16:30

also being reported as a dead stowaway in a wheel well...makes more sense

Airbubba 15th Feb 2016 16:50


Banknotes: In transit from printer to central bank?

also being reported as a dead stowaway in a wheel well...makes more sense
Looks like those perhaps plausible explanations are being offered by the officials:


Zimbabwe's Civil Aviation Authority said the matter had been handed over to the police to investigate.

Its chief, David Chawota, said the cargo on the US-owned plane belonged to the South African Reserve Bank.

A senior official at the bank, Pradeep Maharaj, said: "The South African Reserve Bank (SARB) is aware of an aircraft carrying a SARB consignment that stopped in Harare and was detained following the discovery of an unidentified body that is presumed to be a stowaway on the aircraft."

The bank was working with authorities to ensure that the cargo was released and transported to South Africa, he told the BBC.
Zimbabwe seizes plane with dead body and cash on board - BBC News

20milesout 15th Feb 2016 16:54

SA Rand fresh off the press in Munich for the South African Reserve Bank (SARB). Seems legit.

Flight MUC-DUR, Crew from US and Pakistan plus 2 South Africans.

The poor soul discovered in Zim seems to have been a stowaway who had nothing to do with the nature of the flight.

Slow and curious 15th Feb 2016 17:11

Stowaway?
 
Where would the stowaway have 'boarded'? Munich? To go where?:confused:
This wasn't a scheduled flight after all. I imagine there wasn't too much security around, while loading all that money.

Proline21 15th Feb 2016 17:48

Could it be that the stowaway boarded in Africa on the way to Munich and was never discovered in Munich on the ground?

Airbubba 15th Feb 2016 18:14


Where would the stowaway have 'boarded'? Munich? To go where?

Could it be that the stowaway boarded in Africa on the way to Munich and was never discovered in Munich on the ground?
Not sure the body was in the gear well from these (somewhat gruesome) pictures posted on 'social media':

https://www.facebook.com/mongezi1/po...83735368314604

The aircraft was N545JN from pictures posted in news articles:

Zimbabwe impounds US-registered jet after body and cash found on board | World news | The Guardian

Some recent flight history appears to be here:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/n545jn/

and here:

https://planefinder.net/data/aircraft/N545JN

Looks like February 13 was a busy day for the Mad Dog, did they go CAI-OST-MUC-HRE perhaps?

troppo 16th Feb 2016 01:42

15 trillion rand? I would have been carrying enough fuel to reach central America ;)
You could buy your own little Banana Republic for a fraction of that.

onetrack 16th Feb 2016 01:57

It would be interesting to know just how much it's costing the SA Central Bank to have its money released from "Zimbabwe security" - after this aircraft "illegally entered Zimbabwe airspace and used Zimbabwe aviation facilities without prior arrangements". :hmm: :rolleyes:

No doubt there will be "fees" for the carrier to negotiate for the "release" of its aircraft as well - coupled with "hospitality charges for the crew". All backed up and enforced by "war veterans" as well, no doubt.

I'd be surprised if the MD-11 didn't lift off at least 10% lighter on the cargo manifest, than when it landed. Talk about manna from Heaven for Mugabe. :suspect:

Flightmech 16th Feb 2016 08:35

If the "stowaway" hid himself in the #3 air conditioning compartment as the social media pictures suggest, then he either had an accomplice or sneaked in there during a maintenance event someplace. Those doors cannot be closed from the inside.

If however he hid in the nose gear and got crushed which is much more likely, then there is ample opportunity for the blood to get in there. Nasty.

Loadesgalore 16th Feb 2016 11:36

As always, expect a lot of twaddle reported in the press. The decision to divert to Zimbabwe for a tech stop was an odd one, as the crew must have been aware for some time that they were unlikely to make their destination.

I'm still curious, because the media has now announced that it was a UK outfit, Network Aviation Group, that leased the plane. How does that work that an N reg aircraft leased by a UK cargo outfit using a Nigerian callsign flies happily in and out of EU? Whose AOC was the aircraft operating on? Where was the security in Germany?

More answers to come, methinks.

Airbubba 16th Feb 2016 12:55


If the "stowaway" hid himself in the #3 air conditioning compartment as the social media pictures suggest, then he either had an accomplice or sneaked in there during a maintenance event someplace. Those doors cannot be closed from the inside.

If however he hid in the nose gear and got crushed which is much more likely, then there is ample opportunity for the blood to get in there. Nasty.
The corpse is clearly visible in both pictures if you put them in a photo editor and turn up the brightness. Looks to me like an African male being removed from a forward avionics bay. Can you get to this area through the nose gear well on the MD-11?

Or, is there a door on the avionics bay that allows entry? Seems like the A306 had a door and maybe a little ladder where you could climb up from the ramp into the avionics bay and even go through a net to some pax baggage.

Volume 16th Feb 2016 13:52

The Žol Douglas has the air conditioning packs in the forward fuselage, and a very small wing to body fairing (where most modern aircraft have it installed now).
So this is an A/C compartment, not avionics. Probably a better hideaway than the landing gear bay, if you know somebody who lets you out at your destination... No Idea what could kill you in there, there are no massive items moved by hydraulics like in the LDG bay.
Is this compartment pressurized?

Looks like some of the blood stains were already visible in MUC...

Airbubba 16th Feb 2016 14:11


The Žol Douglas has the air conditioning packs in the forward fuselage, and a very small wing to body fairing (where most modern aircraft have it installed now).
So this is an A/C compartment, not avionics.
Thanks for the correction, I've never flown the three motor DC's or MD's.


Looks like some of the blood stains were already visible in MUC...
Wow, with a white Easter egg paint job you would think that would be readily noticed on the walkaround inspection. Hard to see how that would get past a German ground engineer.

An update on the death investigation from today's Zimbabwe Herald:


Police have also engaged the services of Interpol to establish the nationality of the deceased person. Further, the investigations seek to establish whether the body is not carrying viruses that may cause the spread of diseases here. It is understood that the body was in an advanced stage of decomposition. Again, it is believed that what had been initially suspected to be blood dripping on the plane could actually be a combination of human fluids associated with a decomposing body.
Plane saga: Body taken for post-mortem | The Herald

hoss183 16th Feb 2016 14:37

I imagine for a decomposing body to start leaking that much it was probably there for weeks. I'm guessing the poor unfortunate snuck on at some point and couldn't get out. Although pressurized and possibly warmer than a wheel well, it would still be pretty cold there.
How often would that bay be inspected?


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