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Wageslave 17th Dec 2015 21:53

Uber Taxi. By Private Aircraft? Surely Not Posible/Legal?
 
As reported by the BBC. I know they're not the best accredited meeja sensation-pushers these days but this report seems pretty scary to me, especially their de-facto promotion and complete lack of warning and condemnation of what is surely a criminal fraud?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34544208

zz9 17th Dec 2015 22:43

Why would it be fraud? PPL are allowed to share fuel costs with passengers, even the basic Sport Pilot licence in the US is allowed to carry a passenger and let them pay their share of fuel, landing fees etc. This service just allows someone to hitch a ride and pay their share of fuel.

deanm 17th Dec 2015 22:53

Uber Chopper?!
 
Not just fixed-wing, either:

UberChopper Brings Desperately Needed Excess To Abu Dhabi Grand Prix | TechCrunch

Dean

jack11111 17th Dec 2015 23:20

Shared economy.
 
Trust me, I'm a FAA licensed pilot. "Welcome aboard."

vector4fun 18th Dec 2015 00:59

[Best hillbilly drawl]

"Yawl hold on, aahm gonna try sumthin!"

:}

peekay4 18th Dec 2015 01:36

Already some threads on this & similar endeavors:

http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...easa-land.html

UberChopper is still in marketing/promotional phase, but will be launched as full blown (possibly franchised) commercial charter services under AOC, not a PPL ride sharing service.

AC560 18th Dec 2015 14:02


Originally Posted by zz9 (Post 9213845)
Why would it be fraud? PPL are allowed to share fuel costs with passengers, even the basic Sport Pilot licence in the US is allowed to carry a passenger and let them pay their share of fuel, landing fees etc. This service just allows someone to hitch a ride and pay their share of fuel.

You can do all that even as a sport pilot in the US, you cannot though hold out (i.e. advertise your services) though without the appropriate operating certificate.

Flight-Share Deemed Illegal by FAA in Blow to AirPooler - Bloomberg Business

TIMTS 18th Dec 2015 14:44

https://www.flyblade.com/

Using low time and inexperienced pilots, and old aircraft, to keep prices down. The level of cowboy varies, but always present.

PURPLE PITOT 18th Dec 2015 15:25

Darwinism taken to the extreme! At least it will clear out a few idiots:D

2EggOmelette 18th Dec 2015 15:44

For Hire or Reward
 
The Hire part is the catch. Cost sharing will not be considered a legal defence if the flight was for the sole purpose of transporting a passenger from A to B. I am guessing the CAA will be quietly getting all their ducks in a tidy little row before.....

Pace 18th Dec 2015 16:03

This has all been covered in the other thread and has NOTHING TO DO WITH UBER the taxi company but someone using that name to make a connection with UBER and purely promoting cost share in private aircraft which is nothing new or different and frankly with the volume available not workable

Pace

GlobalNav 18th Dec 2015 16:54

So the traveler is "sharing the cost"? The pilot is only recovering "cost" and not making a profit or being compensated for his time? I would think anything beyond covering the cost of the flight is a commercial enterprise and covered by commercial operating rules (135/121) which bring a boatload of expensive requirements and regulatory oversight.

PastTense 20th Dec 2015 07:36


December 18, 2015 - On Friday the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled against Flytenow, Inc. in the case of the FAA vs. Flytenow, Inc. (No. 14-1168). After giving oral arguments in their case before the court in September, the court ruled "Flytenow’s petition for review is denied".
Flytenow, Inc. was an internet based company that started in 2014, similar to Uber's business model which provided an online business that connected private pilots with cost-sharing passengers.

Pilots And Cost-Sharing Passengers Receive A Blow By DC Court Of Appeals

aterpster 20th Dec 2015 14:24

Jack11111:


Trust me, I'm a FAA licensed pilot. "Welcome aboard."
After the crash, the family usually says, "But, he was a good pilot.":eek:

Wageslave 24th Dec 2015 10:39


Why would it be fraud?
Because offering a charter service whilst using PPL pilots is fraudulent.

MarkerInbound 24th Dec 2015 17:27

At least in the the U.S. legal system fraud is a very specific crime involving a false statement made to influence a person or giving false information so that a person will take an action that results in financial gain to the person who made the statement. So what's the false information?

The better description is, "It's illegal."


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