Do We Have a Stable Approach?
 

A most excellent article, thanks for the link.

The internet does indeed lend itself to the crowd or mob mindset.

Very interesting article. Internet really brings out the worst in people.

Maybe better suited in Jet Blast though?

Maybe better suited in Jet Blast though?
 

A question I wrestled with.

Jetblast is a place where people who like to flame each other can have at it. I think (my humble opinion...) that the people in Jetblast know what they are doing, and more important, then know when and where not to. That's why they are in Jetblast.

But in here, I think we have a problem. In here, I know for a fact that highly experienced and senior flyers don't come in. Yes, I could quote names, and no, I am not going to...

I don't think it's because they are 'scared'. I suspect they think we're a rowdy bunch of idiots, in some cases incapable of disagreeing without becoming disagreeable.

By all means, move the link to JB if you think it would do more good there. You might be correct!

Excellent article , and most of us long timers in this Forum have seen some of the examples mentioned
It is also a self preservation mechanism in aviation. By declaring we would have done différently, we can deny the consequences and continue to fly.

Re jet Blast , at the begining it was very funny, even sexy with superb stories (like those of the famous " I Follow snails trails" posts for those old enough to remember) Sadly the forum changed and what is described in the article set in , that is why many left , including me.

A very good article and it describes why a lot of pilots I fly with say they don't bother looking at Pprune. Of all the different forums it seems to me that the two Australian centered forums are the worst.

I noticed at the bottom of the article there is a comment from someone posting a link to another aviation based bulletin board. If you want to see a prime example of what the article is referring to then click on the link. The site is used to harass and bully anyone who doesn't agree with their point of view even if people post on Pprune or Ben Sandilands blog. There is one individual who will post the most vile of comments if he/she thinks they know your identity.

Of course a lot of teenagers would know that the Internet is the cowards preferred method of harassment and bullying.

I was lost at the first paragraph. What's wrong with discontinuing a takeoff, and why would one necessarily report it to the authorities?

I can't decide if you are being cleverly ironic or are serious. If you are serious have a read to the end of the article and decide if you need to be so quick to criticize.

PPRuNe does at least have the benefit of moderators who do intervene when posts "cross the line".

A lot of the points made apply to any specialist forum on the internet, where long standing members become fed up with the constant repetition of trite queries that could have been answered with a quick Google search.

If you cannot be bothered to do some research before hand, how can you possibly benefit from a detailed technical explanation if you don't know the basics?

PPRuNe is one of the best sources for technical discussion available on the internet. Like all internet sources, it works best when you have sufficient background knowledge to know what you don't know, and when to accept the opinions of those who are better informed than yourself.

Umm....do you see any irony in this reply in a thread regarding that article??

+1 for CheckAirman. I've never had a rejected takeoff, but if I did, say because I was unhappy with the engine performance, there's no reason I'd report it. Not unless it met the criteria of NTSB 830, basically death, serious injury or damage exceeding $25000. Even a blown tire or other real failure comes nowhere close, in itself.

Maybe there is more to this story, I have no idea.

Same here Check Airman, I had the same question, the article isn't very clear?

Perhaps the abort resulted in an overrun, or had some other type of off-runway excursion, or impacted something during the abort? Even then these aren't required for reporting usually.

There's a phrase in the article ("Although there was no visible damage...") which made me think that the plane either left the runway or impacted something.

Otherwise I was puzzled about the reporting requirement and the viciousness of the responses, unless the rules are different down under...

Aborted Takeoff - Big Deal
 

I've had multiple aborted takeoffs. A couple of malfunctioning engines, an airspeed indicator not registering, and one on the catapult (before the shot) requiring that several other planes in line behind me to be towed out of the way so that I could taxi out of the way. Big Deal :ugh:

There has to be more to the story but is sure is not in the article.

It would depend on what is specified as an MOR in the operator's manuals, as required by their regulatory authority..

I think Internet forums encourage people to let fly with their opinions and the fact that you are more or less anonymous makes people think they can say whatever they like. The dangerous thing is that things said in forums can be taken as fact. And also, people who know nothing about anything, can post stuff online. There is no accountability. So, it's like reading newspapers; you have to know how to read between the lines.

Pure guess here (in line with the article!).

Judging by the frequent occurance of undercarriage collapses and damage in air accident reports, this aircraft may well have suffered hidden damage that caused a collapse at a later date, or expensive remedial work when it was discovered during a subsequent service.

The "no visible damage" remark is probably the crucial clue.

Just one of those things, but the lesson here is that if you have a heavy landing or a rough aborted takeoff, then it should be reported and the aircraft checked. Too many people get killed through embarrassment, or shame.

Note this was a C206- a fixed gear, piston engine single.

An aborted take- off in such an aircraft is no might deal, and there'd be zero reason to suspect damage.

The last three pilots who did an aborted takeoff while working for BA CityFlyer, at London City Airport- were sacked.

Maybe no big deal to some on here, but a bigger deal to them.

AtomKraft this appears to be about a student pilot aborting takeoff on a Cessna with his instructor on board... not exactly an equal comparison to BA CityFlyer commercial ops?

Peekay
I hadn't bothered reading the original article, when I posted- but I've read it now.

My comment stands.