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kimo 3rd Nov 2015 18:59

It is the Horizontal stabilizer at least a part of it.

A0283 3rd Nov 2015 19:04

VS or THS
 
My initial impression was that we are looking into the structure box of the VS. Because it appears to be rather 'beefy'. Problem with the picture is that you have no scale reference and there is too much light (cant see the color).

Could the curved part on the front-left be where the rudder rotates.

Photo is not 'sharp' enough to be 100% sure, but i think you guys are right. One of the points that i look at is what appears to be the mounting lug left hand upper skin. Right hand sight is not clear enough for me yet to be 100% sure that it is complete but indeed more likely. Both components are CFRP so that is not a differentiator.

This means that that this component was sheared off flush with the skin. Probability that both sides shear off at exactly the same moment appears to be relatively low. So this departure would have a significant effect.

Hope that Kulver finds even better pictures :-)

fando 3rd Nov 2015 19:06

I wonder about the (one sided) soot on the APU because somehow it looks for me as it got there before that part got separated.

StuntPilot 3rd Nov 2015 19:11

@A0283

If you look at the pictures of the tail section you can see that the complete leading edge part of the VS is present. Here we see a leading edge piece at the base. Therefore this must be the HS.

Mauersegler 3rd Nov 2015 19:16

Yes it is one side of the tailplane/horizontal stabilizer, see here:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...B6henruder.jpg

enormous forces at work, or?

Smott999 3rd Nov 2015 19:28

Wow - if this is HS, big news.
Looks kinda shredded aft yes?

auldlassie 3rd Nov 2015 19:31

To Kulverstukas
 
You are doing a great job on this thread, updating us with Russian pics, videos and factual info, without ever resorting to silly speculation. Just wanted to say thank you. Much appreciated.

widmimabi 3rd Nov 2015 19:32

I think it's the water and waste panel located on the aft fuselage below door 4L

Kulverstukas 3rd Nov 2015 19:33

LIFE | NEWS

HS is at 4:34

archae86 3rd Nov 2015 19:52

toy?
 
Kulverstukas,

Feeding Google Translate the URL you posted gave me text for a version of the page time-stamped 23:26 on November 3 with the intriguing sentence:


One of the objects found today became broken down into two parts of a toy airplane.
The original Russian for which this translation was provided was stated to be

Одним из предметов, найденных сегодня, стал разломанный на две части игрушечный самолётик
Comments?

StuntPilot 3rd Nov 2015 19:53

The part of the HS where the torque box construction broke off and where the stringers stick out now looks strange to me: lots of dark decoloration, which gets very intense at the bottom. Can the torque box have been soaked with hydraulic fluid from the VS actuators above?

oldoberon 3rd Nov 2015 19:56

to Kulverstukas
 
Thanks for update

Just before shot of HS were images of what I assume are parts of the missing rear fuselage ( no burn marks noticed) were they in the same geographical area, if they were not do you know distance from fuselage bits to HS, and in a line to the main wreckage which order are they (if well apart)

Kulverstukas 3rd Nov 2015 19:59


Quote:

One of the objects found today became broken down into two parts of a toy airplane
.


As a some example of terrible and moving thing found he told about toy plane broken in half.

Kulverstukas 3rd Nov 2015 20:05


do you know distance from fuselage bits to HS
It's unclear from this reel. EMERCOM officer said that they searched distant area today, some cliffs and chasms where they must use mountaineering gear. He describe it like "we search area 17 km in radius".
Also was mentioned that all major debris was located and collected and that EMERCOM guys (in full uniform, despite +35C) make human chain and "comb" the area.

MrSnuggles 3rd Nov 2015 20:07

Mr Kulverstukas
 
Thankyou very much Mr Kulverstukas!

You are providing much appreciated information and great updates. I salute you for that. Thankyou!

Kulverstukas 3rd Nov 2015 20:13

Just toy. Broken. There was 25 children aboard.

Ruimte Aap 3rd Nov 2015 20:28

To Kulverstukas
 
Thank you for your observation reg. my comment on picture in post #714, sounds a good point about the flap. Saw another picture closer up showing the hole is rather rectangular. Also, thank you for your side info, links and translations :)

henra 3rd Nov 2015 20:50


Originally Posted by Mauersegler (Post 9167910)
Yes it is one side of the tailplane/horizontal stabilizer, see here:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...B6henruder.jpg

enormous forces at work, or?



Yes indeed! Looks like enormous loads and violent disintegration of the HS. Must have been huge vertical loads. Something must have changed the AoA of the HS drastically in a very short time. Possibly something heavily hitting/severing the jackscrew or its mounts?

susier 3rd Nov 2015 21:04

Is it possible to observe from the photograph of the HS, in particular the remnants of the attachment material, in which direction the forces which caused it to detach may have been acting?

igs942 3rd Nov 2015 21:05

Perhaps enough upward force for the HS central assembly to take out the rudder and half the VS?


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