Voluntary departure schemes have been proven disastrous in various industries. I'd be horrified if they were offered in aviation.

The nature of the offer is that those most confident in their abilities and thus their ability to find another job accept the offer.

Compensation is guaranteed by law. The airline will delay as long as possible in the hope that you will give up. Google 'flight delay compensation' and you will be inundated with the names of firms who will collect this for you on a no win no fee basis. Although they also take about a third when you get the money which is pretty much a given if you meet the criteria.

Checking in late on this one.

I'm glad some pilots have b@lls somewhere in Europe, unlike pretty much...the remainder of european pilots (except for the germans).

This community has gone so low it makes me ashamed I used to be part of it. A bunch of poor puppies that will pee where their master tells them to, and they actually to find justification in doing so, thus building some sort of reality in which they FEEL they're always right (it's so "modern" to abide by the rule, to accept all sorts of T&Cs). Very sad.

Way to go, AF pilots !

About KLM pilots: Every single pilot at AF would LOVE to get the newly accepted T&Cs at KLM. Reducing the postflight rest after a long haul flight from 5 days to 4, wow, it's 1 or 2 at AF... Retirement at 58, please, we want it! Thanks for the lesson!

About yearly flight hours at AF: 700 on SH, 800 on LH (except on the 330/340, overstaffed for some non-pilot related reasons). About 100 pilots on the 777 will be stopped from flying before the end of the year, reaching the max duty time, lower figures fed to the press by our directors are BS.

Not ashamed of our productivity, even if it's not EK...

Problem lies somewhere else, but that would be too long to expose here.

As for watching the HR director jumping a fence bare chested, well... Violence is bad, but it sure raised more than a smile... and not only within the airline!

Well it didn't raise a smile from me; but then I'm not in your airline. Didn't raise a smile from anyone I've spoken to either.

ought to happen more often...these leeches sit at their 35 hour daily routine drawing bonuses for doing what they are supposed to, and crew are out there paying the price for their mis-management...good for the AF crew who did this...some employees will lose more than their shirts because of these people

@ Stiglet : Oh yes, it's very mean....How mean, how super mean it is. I won't get caught with a smile on my face as it is soooo mean. This way, I'm a good boy.

What is wrong with you ? Sure it's violent. On the other hand, what do you think about the violence imbedded in the fact hundreds of pilots have to pay to work ? What do you think of the violence in having people changing bases throughout Europe for no obvious reason ? What do you think about the violence of having poor pilots flying several million dollars airplanes for extremely long hours, day and night with no respect no only for flight safety but also for these pilots' health and private life ? What do you think of the violence in having a pilot fired upon some bitter manager's will for the most minute and irrelevant reason.

Come on, cut that sorry whinge about those "poor" little managers who were going to fire 3000 people.

AF Perform 2020 is going to fire 5000.

Frying,
Yes not Ideal.
However if you are prepared to sign up to something daft,
what do you expect?

This Industry has been destroyed by those misguided fools that will fly for f**k all.
RYR WIZZ et Al as a Cojo followed by a stint in Middle East with no chance of return to civilization,
CAREER ??

Londonman

It's not driven by customers at all.
It's driven by a different 'c' word.
Competition.

The "C" word....
 

I can think of another one.........:E