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forsrm 22nd Sep 2015 09:06

Airberlin A321 has wing "punctured" by rubber from tire
 
Airberlin A321 from EDDL to LGKO had to divert in Munich after some rubber from the wheels became detached during T/O and supposedly created a visible hole in a wing.

In german for now:

Mit 178 Menschen an Bord: Loch in der Tragfläche: Air-Berlin-Maschine muss in München notlanden - Fliegen - FOCUS Online - Nachrichten

tubby linton 22nd Sep 2015 09:35

There are some better photos on Bild.
Airberlin-Airbus A321 muss wegen Loch im Flügel notlanden - News Inland - Bild.de

Hotel Tango 22nd Sep 2015 10:04

I see from the first link that the German press is as particular about accuracy as the British press! They identify the aircraft as an Airbus A320 and publish a photo of a B737-800. The photo on the second link would indicate an Airbus A321 to me by the way. Well, at least they got the airline right!

Jockel76 22nd Sep 2015 10:16

To be fair, the text says symbol picture.

Sky Wave 22nd Sep 2015 11:40

Wow

surely that went through the fuel tank?


SW

safetyspy1971 22nd Sep 2015 11:52

Judging by the image, which TBH is not the best it apears to have impacted through the wheel well and then upward further through the falsework which is aft of the rear spar, hence not part of fuel tank. The subject wing panel is made from composite with a upper/external surface of aluminium. Nowhere near the structural intergrity or resistance to impact of the typical wing skin make up.

N1 Vibes 22nd Sep 2015 12:06

Sky Wave, I agree with safetyspys comment - this looks to be to the rear of the fuel tank.

Sky Wave 22nd Sep 2015 12:19

Ah, didn't look at the second photo.

I think the fuel tank starts at the black line.

SW

Volume 22nd Sep 2015 12:26


through the falsework
I think that is Boeing terminology. Airbus calls that area Shroud Box.

gcal 22nd Sep 2015 12:43

Of course and shrouds don't have pockets - of fuel ;)

safetyspy1971 22nd Sep 2015 13:17

Volume
 
In my experience (25yrs) on all types that area of the wing is considered falsework. Maybe thats peculiar to the facilities i have worked in.

For info AMM 57-00-00-12 denotes the shroud box to be the area aft of the wheel well where the leading edge of the inbd flap nestles when in the retracted position.

Union Jack 22nd Sep 2015 13:25

Shades of the French Concorde at CDG.....

Jack

susier 22nd Sep 2015 14:06

Accident: Air Berlin A321 at Dusseldorf on Sep 19th 2015, burst tyre on takeoff, debris punctures wing
By Simon Hradecky, created Tuesday, Sep 22nd 2015 13:44Z, last updated Tuesday, Sep 22nd 2015 13:44Z


An Air Berlin Airbus A321-200, registration D-ABCK performing flight AB-3156 from Dusseldorf (Germany) to Kos (Greece) with 171 passengers and 7 crew, departed Dusseldorf's runway 23L and was climbing out of Dusseldorf when tyre debris was found on the runway. The crew of D-ABCK was informed about the debris, stopped the climb at FL270, descended the aircraft to FL100 and diverted to Munich (Germany) for a safe landing about 70 minutes after departure. Passengers observed a hole in the upper surface of the right hand wing.

Air Berlin confirmed that parts of the tyre separated during departure from Dusseldorf which damaged the wing.

Germany's BFU opened an investigation into the occurrence.

A replacement Airbus A321-200 registration D-ABCQ reached Kos with a delay of 8.5 hours.

Sober Lark 22nd Sep 2015 14:36

When the passengers saw that hole in the wing were they (a) hoping the skill of the crew would get them down safely or (b) delighted they will qualify for Flight Delay Compensation?

safetyspy1971 22nd Sep 2015 14:45

C. All of the above!

oleostrut 22nd Sep 2015 15:18

From the photo, there appears to be a previous repair in that area. Not the first such damage on that AC?

Better to punch a hole there than to FOD an engine on rotation as can happen with a DC9/MD80 shedding a tire.

lomapaseo 22nd Sep 2015 16:25


Better to punch a hole there than to FOD an engine on rotation as can happen with a DC9/MD80 shedding a tire.
it can happen to wing mounted engines as well, just bounce off the tarmac at the right point of tyre rotation.

wanabee777 22nd Sep 2015 18:11

Was the tire a retread??

SeenItAll 22nd Sep 2015 18:57

Given that airliner tires or tyres are generally retreaded between 5 and 7 times over the life of the carcass, it is a pretty good bet that this tyre or tire had been retreaded. But note, airliner retreads should be roughly as safe as new ones. These aren't truck tires that were retreaded in the back of Uncle Eddie's garage and which you see the leavings of spewed across our high speed roadways.

ShotOne 22nd Sep 2015 19:00

It's normal for aircraft tyres to be retreaded multiple times, wannabe. Counterintuitively, it's actually safer; if a tyre is going to delaminate it is most likely the first time it comes under load.

I've had the pleasure of suffering a tyre burst on an A320. There were multiple punctures in flap and fairing, and at first glance it looked terrible. On closer inspection, the fuel tank is protected by (Kevlar I think?) armour which completely protected everything important.


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