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Dragonair A333 structural damage
AvHerald reported maybe the 1st ever write-off in KA´s history.
Bounced landing resulted in a nlg 1st touchdown on runway 04 at Penang. Accident: Dragon A333 at Penang on Sep 16th 2015, hard landing some info also here jacdec.de |
2.8g?
Umm? Yes! I'd call 2.8g a Very Hard Landing, especially if it was Nose First. Where does one draw the line between "Hard Landing," and "Crash?" Is it g-load, damage injury (or death) or what? Nose fists at 2.8 is a bit more than just hard.:eek:
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Umm? Yes! I'd call 2.8g a Very Hard Landing, especially if it was Nose First. Southwest fires pilot of jet that landed on nose gear at LaGuardia | Reuters Nose wheel landing: DGCA cancels pilot's licence - The Times of India |
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Lots of similar incidents these days. I wonder if they have anything to do with the experience levels in modern flight decks? If so then all the savings generated by cost cutting are wiped out in one go.
It is a pity the whole cost is not borne by the airline concerned but I suppose the insurance industry will respond by increased premiums or eventually saying enough is enough. It all comes back to money. |
It is a pity the whole cost is not borne by the airline concerned |
The aircraft is not written off, the aircraft is stuck as no hangar facilities are available in PEN.
I heard there is no structural damage but some gear components have exceeded their design limitations and need replacement, from the initial inspections CX would rather fly the aircraft to HKG or XMN for repair rather than ship the A/C jack and other stuff to support. |
Here's a pax narrative of the event from the comment thread of the Av Herald article linked above:
I was a passenger on this flight. The plane 'hit' the ground harder than any landing I have ever experienced in a torrential down pour. The main wheels first then a bounce off the ground the nose dipped fully forward then all the landing gear crashed back onto the runway. I had a window seat and we were half way down the wet runway. The engines went into reverse there was heavy breaking until the far end. The whole plane shuddered. landing done by the female copilot ( I think ) flight attendants screamed as we touched down. thought the engine was going to hit the runway first such was the rolling motion. expected the captain to apologise as we taxied to parking but no .knew the plane was damaged, there was starnge burning smell and it creeked as we moved slowly to parking. Children were crying and I was stunned and traumatised. In the terminal as we de planned I could see what looked like smoke from the tyres and the captain sat in his seat with his head in his hands. I thought he was crying. |
I thought he was crying. |
Here's a pax narrative of the event from the comment thread of the Av Herald article linked above: |
a) Suspect none of you above have experienced a landing like this
b) Imagine the pax was a brain-surgeon, how amused they would be about how little you know to describe a tumour removal operation c) Get a life. I'll get my own coat. |
a) Suspect none of you above have experienced a landing like this Listening to the liveatc recording, Dragon 691 was cleared direct somewhere, almost certainly KENDI, then cleared for the ILS 04. The voice on the radio was male, sounded to me like a 'North' American, couldn't hear the tower side of the conversation on this segment. They reported off the runway at the end on Alpha, same voice. Does the FO taxi at Dragonair? I suspect it would be the same procedures as Cathay. |
As a matter of interest - any of you ever made a PA apologising for a heavy landing? What would you even say?
Doesn't it open a can of worms regarding legal actions by pax claiming neck/back injuries? |
As a matter of interest - any of you ever made a PA apologising for a heavy landing? The Captain then made the announcement that the first officer would not call the steps in until the Captain told us that he was at the controls for the hard landing and not the first officer. A round of applause from the passengers followed. |
I had to fess up once and admit to the passengers that I had just reduced the field elevation of KFLL by about 3".:O
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I know most of us have heard it before, but..
A little old lady, as she was about to disembark, asked the smiling FO.. "Tell me sonny, did we just land or were we shot down?" |
Apologize for a hard landing? No; but when something out of the ordinary happens you can (must) always explain. Usually highly appreciated.
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When I was a newbie FO on the Dash 8.....we had just landed (felt like we had been shot down, although, thankfully it was the captains leg) and the Captain had stood up - why, I dont know, as he had to face his audience disembarking - when a sweet looking little old lady (could have been your grandma) collared him and, in a very upper crust, loud and demanding voice asked of him..."Young man, was that your landing.....?". He nodded and she then said "....because it was fu**ing awful!!" In about as piercing a voice as you could imagine!! I was absolutely wetting myself in the flight deck....you wouldnt have thought that the little old lady could have possibly ever heard such language!!
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I was a pax on a B777 one day and after touchdown the PF, who I am sure was an F/O under training or still green lost directional control. The tyres screeched as we lurched left and right in response to his ever increasing over corrections.
I could tell instantly when the Captain took over as the rudder inputs reduced and we straightened up. The cabin was very quiet however no announcement was made. |
Why would it be considered not appropriate to apologise for a hard landing? Most of the skippers I've flown with do seem to think that there is absolutely no need to say anything to the passengers. Surely a light hearted apology would lighten things up?:}
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