It is.
Do they sit awake at night trying to figure out how a fighter can land after exceeding 600 kts below 200'? |
In all fairness, we lite pukes have some neat stuff besides the EGPWS/GPWS
I always liked my terrain following radar mode and coupled with the projected map display with INS and a doppler backup. This was back in 1972 and you can guess what jet it was ( single seat, single engine). The recent incident is the first one I have seen about a false warning. I guess there are many that are not reported of recorded. |
Originally Posted by Gums
The recent incident is the first one I have seen about a false warning.
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There is some discussion about EGPWS but for the sake of completeness, there is a "caution terrain" call first, serving as a crude wakeup call.
Giving you a little bit more time to react. |
Ah Air France encore! Quelle surprise!! With this AF flight, probably add ATC and other African-relevant issues. It makes me wonder that mainly AF issues are commonly reported and dissected on this board. I find it hard to believe that other operators fly incident free. I wonder how freely BA, LH and others report compared to AF. |
I wonder how freely BA, LH and others report compared to AF |
I am aware of the ASR reporting scheme in the UK, the question is, how public is this information? I had a tech issue on t/o when I worked contract in the UK (which triggered a MoR), but I was never able to access this incident.
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7777, as for public access to it, that I don't know - sorry.
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Originally Posted by Squawk7777
(Post 8993800)
I am aware of the ASR reporting scheme in the UK, the question is, how public is this information? I had a tech issue on t/o when I worked contract in the UK (which triggered a MoR), but I was never able to access this incident.
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So I suppose the number of incidents happening at airline XYZ and making it or leaking :ouch: to a website like Aviation Herald is in government hands?
If so, that would be an interesting way to correct (or punish) a statistic. |
This is listed (published) in the Weekly Bulletin of the French BEA.
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leaking to a website like Aviation Herald This transparncy does not exist ( yet or anymore) in many other Countries, most probably caused by some stupid news headlines that uninformed journalist deduct from reading those bulletins. These journalists have not yet realised that this is detrimental to safety as a whole. Air France probably has more incident reports than other airlines because its pilots are very well protected with a very strong Pilot union that will ensure nobody will be undue penalised as a result of an incident report. This is also definitively not the case in all airlines . |
ATC Watcher:
These journalists have not yet realised that this is detrimental to safety as a whole. I don't think so. :* |
aterpster :
such reporting is detrimental to safety as a whole. But you are right I realise my sentence could have been understood both ways, well I hope it is clear now, Thanks for pointing that up .. |
DunePrune
I posted on this issue two weeks ago, wrote of local knowledge and was correctly shot down by olbie.
I would only add that I have been flying this route on and off for decades and have never seen the mountain owing to cloud cover and/or poor visibility. Until the other day. A rare CAVU event revealed Mt Cameroon in all her glory, and it came as a shock to realize just how close she is to the track between Malabo and Douala. This is one of those places where the chart annotations do not convey the stark reality. I still feel for those AF pilots. Apologies to any feminists among the readers. |
.....I even landed on it, I can testify it's a enough hard rocky ground up there !
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ATC Watcher
I agree with you in theory...
But is this not just another installment in a troubled history (statistically speaking)? |
DunePrune:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would only add that I have been flying this route on and off for decades and have never seen the mountain owing to cloud cover and/or poor visibility. Until the other day. A rare CAVU event revealed Mt Cameroon in all her glory, and it came as a shock to realize just how close she is to the track between Malabo and Douala. This is one of those places where the chart annotations do not convey the stark reality. http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...psdra6yfzs.jpg |
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