Use of EXP Expedite Descent button is prohibited by most operators due to the automatics inability to control the speed properly. This was quite an old bus, so probably had it fitted, but I'd be surprised if Germanwings allowed its use.
It's not really needed, as you can achieve a safe 5000fpm simply with open descent and very careful use of speedbrake. All this talk of 3500 fom being a hi speed dive is nonsense, certainly a smartish descent but the vs amber caution only come on around 5000fpm. Sorry can't remember the exact figure. And no, the speed brakes do not automatically deploy, the aircraft protects itself from over speed with a gentle pitch up to recover the normal sped range. |
Quote: Departure was delayed by half hour.The spokeswoman VP couldnt account for why it did when interrogated by a journalist. Potentially a cause of delay? |
Originally Posted by macdo
(Post 8914951)
Rather depends if the fixed O2 is switched on. Has been known...
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There is no passport control flying between BCN and DUS.
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58000FH is hardly "old". Well within the A320 design life. Some information can be found here. |
Timing
Apologies if it has already been answered but why is there an apparent discrepancy in timings from the FR24 information and the timings that the media and Germanwings are saying was last contact?
FR24 had last contact at 09.41 yet Germanwings says it was 09.53? |
if the A320 had a decompression then the 'procedural thing' to do is descend to 10000' PDQ, squawk 7700 and tell ATC what is happening and what you need in terms of airspace - is that so?
It should not be difficult to see that if the "get on Oxy" goes wrong, life is not looking good (and not saying that happened here). It is far more important than starting the descent. |
There is no passport control flying between BCN and DUS. Interflug is online now Report Post Reply |
Probably not relevant, but this airframe sustained a bit of flap damage back in 2002.
http://www.fss.aero/accident-reports...2-07-09-UK.pdf |
An Australian journalist in London says that one of the school kids had lost/misplaced their passport and that at one point there was concern that they would not make the flight. Potentially a cause of delay? |
This is more of a sign how bad a magazine "Der Spiegel" has become. They just cannot imagine that such an accident and the loss of colleagues you possibly personally know can make you unfit to fly. I have written to "Der Spiegel" and asked them to substantiate their claim or to drop this wild speculation. |
An explosive decompression would be more in line with a lower ROD as well as with the theory of the crew being unconscious until impact.
Pure speculation, but I would incline to the theory of an uncontained structural damage leading to sudden decompression and to the crew to initiate an emergency descent (with a lower rate due to the need to not increase speed) having made the initial procedures, but failing to fine tune them, due to having lost consciousness. Thence the lack of communication with ATC... |
Originally Posted by BeT
(Post 8913776)
GWI 18G
D-AIPX ex-DLH airframe. |
Well, what did you expect, it s all DLH in Germany, except Air Berlin. |
if you had a depressurisation, an engine failure, a cabin fire or say a windscreen blown out (is that poss?) a high level birdstrike into the windscreen (how likely could that be?) would you still stay on track and descend into the mountains? |
There is no passport control flying between BCN and DUS In which case a pax with missing ID might be a problem, albeit solvable. |
So like a UK domestic flight? ID still needed which is likely to be a passport, national identity card or driving license. In which case a pax with missing ID might be a problem, albeit solvable. You can get past security and to the gate without ID everywhere in Europe, though, if your destination is in the Schengen area. This combination makes it dangerous to miss your return flight just at the gate as one does not notice the missing ID on the flight ex Germany (happened to me in France and was resolved by my airline ID card after a lot of discussions only) |
The (reported) total lack of communications from the crew for the entire duration of the descent is strongly suggestive of crew incapacitation.
It appears from what we know thus far that the crew have commanded the descent, and the average rate would appear to be consistent (I would imagine) with speed brakes out, or at least a speed of close to Mmo/Vmo. I can only speak for the 737, and am led to believe A320 family is similar in the drills, so imagine (via the AFS) a random lower altitude would be initially set (just to start the descent ) with one of the follow up actions being to come back to it to set 10,000 or MSA (whichever higher) implying that, if you lost consciousness after commencing the descent, you may continue down to . . . . well, whatever altitude was set by default on the panel (could be as low as 0000) I have heard reliable reports of a 737 flying around for a significant amount of time (lets say more than 1 day ) with the crew 02 turned off down at the bottle due to a maintenance error. It appears that the 02 expended during the mandated crew 02 tests done during this period, was not significant compared to what was left in the line between bottle/mask. God knows how the crew(s) who flew it 2 ? 4 ? or however many sectors for however many days must have felt when they heard they operated it, with but a few seconds worth, of 02 available in the lines . . . personally, I think I would feel quite sick. Very short odds indeed for an aircraft with a similar maintenance whoopsy to coincidentally have a decompression requiring the use of crew 02, but, that's what Murphy is for. . . . . . . |
EMER DESC (31 March 2013)
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Nigel ,the double loop is meant to refine the original fcu selections once the aircraft is descending. The RoD achieved is half that quoted in the FCTM
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