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mattymagoo 31st Oct 2014 18:44

Virgin Galatic Spaceship Two down in the Mojave.
 
Just saw the video. It's down. Reports of possibly one parachute in the area.

SpringHeeledJack 31st Oct 2014 18:48

BBC News - 'In-flight anomaly' on Virgin SpaceShipTwo

Reports of parts coming down after craft broke up in flight. I hope the crew managed to escape.

peekay4 31st Oct 2014 18:58

One fatality, one major injury, per California Hwy Patrol at this time.

11Fan 31st Oct 2014 19:12

Local News Coverage.

Virgin Galactic rocket explodes in flight over Mojave Desert, witness says | abc7.com

Lima Juliet 31st Oct 2014 19:31

Spaceship 2 Down
 
Sad news tonight. Most of the test team are ex-mil pilots. :sad:

Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo crashes during test flight - Telegraph

The B Word 31st Oct 2014 19:55

Yes, I know one is ex-RAF and there are ex USAF and USMC pilots on the Test Team. It looks like one of the 2 pilots got out.

Tragic :sad:

Super VC-10 31st Oct 2014 20:09

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_V...Galactic_crash

Al R 31st Oct 2014 20:21

If ever needed, a salutary reminder that flight test is not without risk, especially when exploring new frontiers. Very sad.

glendalegoon 31st Oct 2014 21:07

as a reminder, us faa ATC would have had to clear them to 50,000 feet

LA center should have tapes of this, at least the ATC portion...anyone have a link?

Sunray Minor 31st Oct 2014 21:46

:( Not good. Was on a course this year with one of the test pilots that I suspect was flying the ship today. No response from him so far.

9Aplus 31st Oct 2014 21:55

It was first in flight test of nylon-nitrous oxide rocket engine...

Details of this accident can be traced on local well informed sources:
https://twitter.com/spacecom
Parabolic Arc

AB some of us own TP IDcard for Mojave Space Port, while sitting most of the time on other WW locations

MD83FO 31st Oct 2014 22:18

there a large pieces on the ground, does it look like an inflight beak up?

9Aplus 31st Oct 2014 22:26

Yes, for composite construction, 3 major parts, possible
engine failure - explosion, less than 10 seconds after
inflight ignition/start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwOnU6L-6sc

Basil 31st Oct 2014 22:49

And all to make a fairground ride for celebs :(

Radix 31st Oct 2014 22:53

Virgin Galatic Spaceship Two down in the Mojave.
 
They had an explosion earlier in the program. Wonder if they ever got to the bottom of that.

http://m.softpedia.com/spaceship-test-at-the-mojave-desert-test-area-kills-2-61171.html

Goat Whisperer 31st Oct 2014 22:54

Basil...

and to push the boundaries of commercial space for us all, funded by said celebs.

400drvr 31st Oct 2014 23:19

Sadly people die going faster and higher...
 
Space flight, even sub-orbital is not a low risk endeavor with speeds reaching upwards of M5.0 and untested equipment you do the math.

peekay4 31st Oct 2014 23:51

@radix

They had abandoned the engine mixture related to the 2007 accident. That engine had a rubber-based fuel (HTPB) and was being developed by a sub-contractor (Sierra Nevada Corp -- SNC).

That 2007 accident actually had nothing to do with the engine all. They were testing the flow of nitrous oxide between two tanks. No cause was ever released, but there is speculation that one of the nitrous oxide tanks was overheated in the desert sun, and the gas inside reached critical temperature.

The HTPB engine SNC was supplying had serious vibration issues with burns longer than 20 seconds.

So earlier this year, Scaled decided to abandon HTPB and take the engine design in-house. They switched to a fuel based on plastic (polyamide) and they subsequently completed several successful ground test firings with the new polyamide fuel.

Today was the first attempt to use the new polyamide fueled engine in a powered flight test.

Carbon Bootprint 1st Nov 2014 00:19

In before someone else asks it: given this was the first actual flight with the new fuel mix, could not this have been accomplished remotely with an unmanned craft?

Isn't that the way the protocol has worked previously for "non-commercial" space flights?

PrivtPilotRadarTech 1st Nov 2014 01:08

Hybrid Rocket Engine
 
Regrets for the casualties, hats off to test pilots, they pay the price for progress.
Was interested in the rocket motor. It burns rubber or plastic?!! It's called a "hybrid rocket engine" as it is neither a solid nor a liquid fueled rocket. It uses a solid fuel, and a liquid or gaseous oxidizer which can be throttled. If the oxidizer is oxygen, it can't explode. However, in this case they use nitrous oxide, which has been criticized by rocket scientists as dangerous, as it can explode on its own. I'm NOT a rocket scientist, so I'm just repeating what I read. So perhaps the flame propagated backwards thru the throttle to the tank of nitrous oxide. In any case, they will figure this out and we will move forward.


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