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DaveReidUK 8th Jan 2019 17:05


Originally Posted by Flying Wild (Post 10355215)
Still plenty on approach at 1800.

But few, if any, departures since 17:15 (50 minutes ago)

Hotel Tango 8th Jan 2019 17:08

Which may suggest the drone was sighted west of the airport!

scr1 8th Jan 2019 17:10

If all Dep stopped then how long till they run out of stands??

theexpandingman 8th Jan 2019 17:12

Aegean to Athens just departed - 18:10

doublesix 8th Jan 2019 17:15

FR appears to show departures resumed off 28R

BONES_ 8th Jan 2019 17:15

Looks like departures have been resumed :ok:

Flying Wild 8th Jan 2019 17:20


Originally Posted by doublesix (Post 10355227)
FR appears to show departures resumed off 28R

I think you mean 27R...:rolleyes:

sikeano 8th Jan 2019 17:27


Originally Posted by Flying Wild (Post 10355236)
I think you mean 27R...:rolleyes:

😀

well fingers crossed all flights start departing

ex-EGLL 8th Jan 2019 17:28


Originally Posted by Flying Wild (Post 10355236)
I think you mean 27R...:rolleyes:

Nah....... it'll always be 28R!!

DaveReidUK 8th Jan 2019 17:31


Originally Posted by Hotel Tango (Post 10355221)
Which may suggest the drone was sighted west of the airport!

Previous drone sightings at LHR (from the air, so classed as airproxes) have involved inbounds on 09L, so in the same area as the 27R departure flightpath.

Airbubba 8th Jan 2019 17:32

The sighting report tweet from the Metropolitan Police:



https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c66a19ceea.jpg

alexgreyhead 8th Jan 2019 17:40


Originally Posted by Flying Wild (Post 10355236)
I think you mean 27R...:rolleyes:

Nobody ever claimed that flying was an exact science... ;)

old,not bold 8th Jan 2019 17:49

In a demonstration that nothing is really new, here's a post by Capot from 2016 in R&N, on the subject of drones. I well remember the fury of most posters back in 2014 when Capot suggested that drones were a threat.


Returning to the thread, here's what I wrote in R&N in November 2014

Quote:
I've been in the air transport industry since 1969, in a number of different sectors, eg airline management, airport management and engineering, working in a number of different countries, eg UK, UAE, Oman, Jordan, USA, Israel (Gaza), Tunisia, Algeria, Greece and the Philippines. Before that I was in the military for 10 years, including the final 3 years working as an Intelligence officer in the Gulf region. At various times, and in various ways, I have been closely involved in anti-terrorist action and aviation security.

In my view, the free availability of the sophisticated drones that are around now, as well as of the more and more sophisticated ones that are coming fast down the line, represents the biggest threat to air transport (to say nothing of humanity as a whole) that has been seen so far, not excluding hijacking by suicidal maniacs, SAM firings by rogue military forces, or Muslim and other religious extremists.

The threat comes from unintentional collisions, or from terrorist attacks for which drones can be used in several ways.

The threat cannot be diminished by laws governing their operation, for the obvious reason that laws are obeyed only by the good.

The ONLY way that the threat can be reduced to as low as reasonably practical is to impose the same controls on their manufacture and distribution that apply to dangerous, ie nuclear, weapons, with very long prison sentences for breaking the law.

And this needs to be done sooner rather than later. Any drone is a threat to safety, or a dangerous weapon if the user wants it to be, and they are out there, now, in the hands of idiots and terrorists.Unquote.

The funny thing was that at that time I, and the few PPRuNe experts who agreed with that post, were roundly monstered by the R&N majority who saw little harm in drones, live and let live, no real danger from these little toys, got one myself, etc etc.

er340790 8th Jan 2019 17:56

It will be interesting if any definitive proof of this 'sighting' ever shows up..... rather than the Social Media self-fulfilling dronefest-frenzy at LGW. :rolleyes:

DaveReidUK 8th Jan 2019 18:00


Originally Posted by er340790 (Post 10355282)
It will be interesting if any definitive proof of this 'sighting' ever shows up.....

If they had carried on with departures and an aircraft had hit it, would that have constituted sufficient "proof" ?

Chronus 8th Jan 2019 18:57

Is it the same party(ies) as LGW or is it a copy cat. Either way our PC plods need to sort it out in double quick time.

wiggy 8th Jan 2019 19:07


Originally Posted by BONES_ (Post 10355228)
Looks like departures have been resumed :ok:


They have...there are currently start up delays of up to an hour, plus or minus, as the backlog clears but that’s better than it was looking a couple of hours ago.

Dee Vee 8th Jan 2019 20:01


Originally Posted by Richard Taylor (Post 10355151)
Well LHR might get the chance to use the technology, flights suspended due to 'drone sighting'.

What;s the tech supposed to do? Can't be working very well if they couldn't "take out" said drone and continue operations...

Matt48 9th Jan 2019 18:45

Drone induced shutdown of Gatwick & Heathrow.
 
Peter Gibson of CASA being interviewed on radio stated ' if a pilot is notified that a drone is visible or operating in the vicinity of the airport approach, the pilot can choose an alternate approach', really, opposing traffic, tail winds, etc, come to mind.

Carlos Kaiser 9th Jan 2019 19:03


Originally Posted by Matt48 (Post 10356311)
Peter Gibson of CASA being interviewed on radio stated ' if a pilot is notified that a drone is visible or operating in the vicinity of the airport approach, the pilot can choose an alternate approach', really, opposing traffic, tail winds, etc, come to mind.

Running out of gas also comes to mind.

arketip 9th Jan 2019 19:19


Originally Posted by Matt48 (Post 10356311)
Peter Gibson of CASA being interviewed on radio stated ' if a pilot is notified that a drone is visible or operating in the vicinity of the airport approach, the pilot can choose an alternate approach', really, opposing traffic, tail winds, etc, come to mind.

Some aircraft have radios to call ATC and ask for another runway and to coordinate with other traffic.


Originally Posted by Carlos Kaiser (Post 10356331)


Running out of gas also comes to mind.

Some pilots carry reserve fuel for that.

DaveReidUK 9th Jan 2019 19:36

Interestingly, the aforementioned Peter Gibson, in a recent interview (presumably not the one referred to above) stated that about 80% of drones have control systems that embed the drone serial number in the signal transmissions and that this, in conjunction with compulsory drone registration in Australia, would dramatically change the way rules relating to drones are enforced there.

Matt48 9th Jan 2019 19:50


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10356375)
Interestingly, the aforementioned Peter Gibson, in a recent interview (presumably not the one referred to above) stated that about 80% of drones have control systems that embed the drone serial number in the signal transmissions and that this, in conjunction with compulsory drone registration in Australia, would dramatically change the way rules relating to drones are enforced there.

Hi Dave,
Yes, it was in that interview that the embedded serial no was mentioned.

Jet Jockey A4 10th Jan 2019 01:01

Well today Canada announced new rules to the already existing ones that should put more restrictions on those who fly drones...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/tran...tors-1.4246401

rationalfunctions 10th Jan 2019 06:47


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10356375)
Interestingly, the aforementioned Peter Gibson, in a recent interview (presumably not the one referred to above) stated that about 80% of drones have control systems that embed the drone serial number in the signal transmissions and that this, in conjunction with compulsory drone registration in Australia, would dramatically change the way rules relating to drones are enforced there.

Haven't seen the interview yet, but I assume that the people set on causing intentional disruption would likely fly the 20% of drones without serial numbers.

I'm no drone pilot, but from what I understand the radio tech is straightforward to switch out. So even if drones are officially registered and all manufactured drones to market are traceable, it wouldn't be difficult to circumvent.

This drone issue will take a combination of legislation, education, technology and contingency planning to resolve.


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