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IBMJunkman 18th Sep 2014 20:58

JetBlue return, evac
 
BlueTales JetBlue Statement on Flight 1416 Long Beach ? Austin

JetBlue emergency landing in Long Beach: Cabin filled with smoke - LA Times

glendalegoon 18th Sep 2014 21:15

some really odd stuff here.


does jet blue have passenger oxygen masks that prevent smoke inhalation ( I doubt it)?

did the pilots tell the flight attendants to drop the masks?

did the cabin altitude ever exceed 8000'? 10,000', 12500', 14000'?

everyone seems hell bent for leather to evacuate down the slides. if the plane isn't on fire (and it sure looks like it doesn't have fire damage) why jump out and risk injury?

I looked up the smoke checklist for the A320 and NO WHERE does it say the passengers are to go on oxygen.

I hope we can all have a nice talk about this, and if anyone has REAL DATA about procedures that would be nice to include.

And to those who don't know (not you pilots) passenger oxygen is for supplemental breathing and you would suck smoke into the little mask if you used it.

PILOT oxygen masks of course are a very different type and would be used in the case of smoke.

Airbubba 18th Sep 2014 21:20

Listening to the tower tape, JBU 1416 called on the ground, announced 'we will be evacuating', then another voice, presumably the captain, attempted to 'cancel the evac' when the tower said there was no smoke out of the right engine. The tower then said 'looks like people sliding out of the back already'.

Another day at the office, good job. :ok:

glendalegoon 18th Sep 2014 21:30

airbubba

do you have a link to the ATC tape? wondering, can't find it and the video seems to be gone now too.

was the front talking to the back? hmmm
I hope someone takes the time to figure this one out

IBMJunkman 18th Sep 2014 21:41

Picture:

http://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/...9/jet-blue.jpg

Airbubba 18th Sep 2014 21:49


airbubba

do you have a link to the ATC tape? wondering, can't find it and the video seems to be gone now too.
Check out the end of the 1600Z recording for today at KLGB here:

ATC Audio Archives | LiveATC.net

Here is the track and track log from flightaware.com :

JetBlue (B6) #1416 ? 18-Sep-2014 ? KLGB - KLGB ? FlightAware

glendalegoon 18th Sep 2014 22:01

thanks airbubba

you are right, of course

wondering who was in charge that day?

skidbuggy 18th Sep 2014 22:12

Ironically today Jetblue announced that their embattled CEO will leaving to spend more time with 'family'. Some ex-BA guy, Robin Hayes, is his replacement.

goeasy 19th Sep 2014 03:25

Glen.... No one was in charge! How embarrassing for JB.

This is more than likely a result of the mass media sensationalism I.e. Most passengers think that any minor malfunction on an aircraft means scream for your life before almost certain terrifying death. Which couldn't be more wrong.

I don't envy any cabin crew trying to stop a stampede of media-frightened passengers from trying to access doors before any evacuation has been decided.

hoofie 19th Sep 2014 05:47

Look at the number of people in that picture holding their carry-on bags etc - how many got them out of the lockers first ?

Rodney Rotorslap 19th Sep 2014 06:47

One woman even has a huge black Samsonite - no wait, that could be a taxiway marker.

GreyhoundMUC 19th Sep 2014 07:34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbEi4hQMw78

Interesting insight of the landing with FA's shouting the "Brace, Brace' and the call out from CPT 'FA's at your stations' but then I hear something like 'easy vector, easy vector' whatever that means, followed by shouts from FA's 'release setbelts , come this way'!

Shouldn't there be a clear call out like 'EMERGENCY, EVACUATE, EVACUATE'?

Rather strange...

Ian W 19th Sep 2014 12:06

This event will probably end up in CRM training courses showing how NOT to manage the aftermath of an emergency landing

glendalegoon 19th Sep 2014 12:10

Ian W. Yes


EV may be code for evacuation at some airlines. Some may have evacuated bodily parts prior to evacuating the plane.

framer 19th Sep 2014 12:18

I just googled " easy victor" and it came back with this from another forum

Easy Victor is, I believe, from the olden days. (That's what it was when I started in the 80s.) Used to be thought that a "code word" would alert the FA crew, but not alarm passengers.

Now I think there has been a major shift in thinking. Direct, unambiguous communication to FAs and passengers is best. Thus "Evacuate!" or "Cabin Evacuation" is the preferred signal.

INeedTheFull90 19th Sep 2014 13:04

Anyone now what the triple bongs are? Pretty sure our airbi don't do that.

It is as if easy victor is an instruction to evacuate. The crew make a Pa to say stay seated to await the captain's instruction. Then 'easy victor' is heard (we assume from the flight deck) and then the flight attendants start evacuation.

glendalegoon 19th Sep 2014 13:30

so, the engine was overheating so you use fire extinguisher? (something aint right here)

and some actor I have never heard of is gaining a great deal of publicity for his tweets.


I could say more, but you get the idea.

A340Yumyum 19th Sep 2014 16:01

Total and utter mis-management of the crew from top to bottom. Absolutely no need at all for an evac. They should show the youTube footage of exactly how NOT to handle a 'possible' evac situation. I bet the passengers didn't know whether they were coming or going.

Embarrassing to watch......

SeenItAll 19th Sep 2014 16:32


Total and utter mis-management of the crew from top to bottom. Absolutely no need at all for an evac. They should show the youTube footage of exactly how NOT to handle a 'possible' evac situation. I bet the passengers didn't know whether they were coming or going.

Embarrassing to watch......
This seems highly presumptuous unless you know exactly what the crew knew at the exactly the time all of this was going down. Just because in hindsight something turns out suboptimal does not mean that it was a suboptimal decision at the time it was made.

I hear the cabin crew calling BRACE. I hear the cabin crew calling STAY PUT. I hear the flight deck calling for an evacuation (if that is what Easy Victor means). And I hear the cabin crew calling for PAX to come this way. No CF seems to be occurring at all.

I am very sure that the captains of the Saudia plane in Jeddah or the Airtours plane in Manchester would like very much to reconsider their decisions not to order an immediate evac. Unless it turns out that the flight crew obviously knew there was no fire all along, I don't think anyone is going to second-guess this decision making.

ManaAdaSystem 19th Sep 2014 16:51

"Fun" to watch how a poorly trained cockpit crew can screw up a situation.
"BRACE" is a call when you expect a possible crash landing, not when you have an abnormal situation just before landing.
Smoke is not a crash landing, and BTW where is the smoke?
Masks? Hahaha, total lack of knowledge!


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