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Carbon Brakes 300 6th Aug 2014 05:18

Russia considering closing airspace
 
No one has mentioned it here, but Russia is considering blocking airspace over Siberia, forcing foreign airlines to go around, at a cost of millions, on Europe-Asia destinations.
This, of course, in retaliation of the EU/USA sanctions.
It is clearly a no-win situation:ugh:

Polandexpat 6th Aug 2014 05:49

Won't happen. They need all the foreign overfly fees they can earn and this would be chopping off their nose to spite their face.

DouglasFlyer 6th Aug 2014 06:22

@CarbonBrakes:

Was mentioned here in this post:

http://www.pprune.org/8594761-post11.html

peterhr 6th Aug 2014 06:30

Tehran - the new east / west hub?

dignified 6th Aug 2014 08:44

This geopolitical war is turning sour. I wonder what will be of us under Sino-Russian rule. Do they speak English? Aeroflot is hiring foreigners for the first time, just in case you want to fly domestic into the CIS.

p.j.m 6th Aug 2014 09:00


Originally Posted by Carbon Brakes 300 (Post 8595700)
No one has mentioned it here, but Russia is considering blocking airspace over Siberia, forcing foreign airlines to go around, at a cost of millions, on Europe-Asia destinations.
This, of course, in retaliation of the EU/USA sanctions.
It is clearly a no-win situation:ugh:

So if Asia and Europe retaliate by not allowing Russian airlines to fly over them, where does that leave Russia?

BOAC 6th Aug 2014 09:10

Should improve slots...............:)

OldLurker 6th Aug 2014 09:22

With Siberia closed (and nobody will want to get too near, remembering KE007) and with other airspace now considered dangerous after MH17, will there be renewed business for Anchorage?

fox niner 6th Aug 2014 09:50

Yesterday Nico Voorbach (ECA) said on Dutch TV that if Russia closes its airspace to European airlines, Russia would risk being kicked out of ICAO. That would be the end of Russian connection to the outside world.
I can provide you with the link where mr. Voorbach said this, but it is in Dutch...

http://www.eo.nl/tv/knevelenvandenbr...nk-e6bfe9e6ee/

DaveReidUK 6th Aug 2014 10:25


Yesterday Nico Voorbach (ECA) said on Dutch TV that if Russia closes its airspace to European airlines, Russia would risk being kicked out of ICAO
I think he's talking out of his posterior. The EU line appears to be that Russia could legally close its airspace if it wished to:

"Helen Kearns, the spokeswoman for the European Commission, the EU's executive arm, said there had been no official information on this from Russian authorities.

Russia could legally close its airspace if it wanted to, according to the EU Commission. Currently, each EU country has a bilateral deal with Moscow on whether its airlines can fly over Russia."

Shares in European airlines drop after report claims Russia considering limiting airspace - Bridge River Lillooet News

CargoOne 6th Aug 2014 12:25

So if Asia and Europe retaliate by not allowing Russian airlines to fly over them, where does that leave Russia?


Dont be confused - if this closure goes ahead it will be applicable to EU and Japanese airlines only. Rest of Asian and Middle East carriers will be allowed to continue as usual, no doubt this a great news for BA/AF/LH!

AreOut 6th Aug 2014 12:30

"No one has mentioned it here"

actually it has been mentioned...

jolihokistix 6th Aug 2014 13:37

KE/KAL, Asiana, would be unaffected then??

CargoOne 6th Aug 2014 13:49

jolihokistix KE/KAL, Asiana, would be unaffected then??


My best guess is only the countries who supported/actioned the sanctions will be affected. I dont know what S Korea position is (never made a news in Europe) but very well could be KAL and Asiana not affected

jolihokistix 6th Aug 2014 14:03

Thanks CargoOne.

jmmilner 6th Aug 2014 18:34

Is this sort of selective closure of airspace covered by ICAO and all the various treaties? Where is PPRuNe's former pilot become lawyer?

DaveReidUK 6th Aug 2014 19:41


Is this sort of selective closure of airspace covered by ICAO and all the various treaties?
What part of "bilateral agreement" are you having trouble with?

Charliedontsurf_83 6th Aug 2014 19:55

already denied by Lavrov, Russia foreign minister. Obviosly they don't won't to play this trump card too early.
Still possible though if the EU will impose similar sanctions on Russia's top 5 airlines.

The SSK 6th Aug 2014 20:01

Normally I could give you chapter & verse, but I retired a month ago.

All this circus is behind me now, thank God

FE Hoppy 6th Aug 2014 20:13

Quick world with our friends in the middle east to increase oil production driving down the price for a few months and Russia will be bankrupt and begging people to use it's airspace.

Big picture folks. It won't happen because there is a limit to what the west will put up with. You don't need to fire a shot to bring down a government these days. It's only the unenlightened that still do that.


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