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opnot 9th Mar 2014 18:18

MH370
 
once again pprune lives up to its I am an expert culture
the acft is missing 200 + people have died, no wreckage at the moment, but there are 50 pages of people telling us what may have happened leave it to facts not guesswork

Feathered 9th Mar 2014 18:21

Objects have been spotted near the oil slicks, one appears to be similar to an aircraft door, 90 km south of Thổ Châu island (Vietnam):

Malaysia Airlines missing jet: object in water might be plane's door - World - CBC News


MAP LINK

FIRESYSOK 9th Mar 2014 18:22

Old Boring Drivel,

You repeatedly suggest this professional crew has botched a recovery from an upset event that not I, nor anyone else is aware of. Will you please refrain; the captain has 30+ years airline experience, this is a 777, not an unmodded Learjet. There is nothing suggesting a Mach tuck scenario, spiral dive, stall, spin, or anything for that matter.

This *is* perhaps the most embarrassing accident thread on Pprune. Ever.

IcePack 9th Mar 2014 18:25

I do hope this is not an engine failure that caused an un-observed loss of airspeed & resulting consequences eg the 747 years ago. (Sorry if this has been raised but can't read all posts it would take all day)

Whiskey Papa 9th Mar 2014 18:29

Nothing like a B777 door! Look at a picture of a B777. Easy!

Global Warrior 9th Mar 2014 18:33

Well speculate no more 'cause Yahoo reckon they have an exclusive.... FAIL


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Pom Pax 9th Mar 2014 18:41

Entry into Malaysia.
 
You exit Thailand with a " Valid" Thai entry stamp in 1 passport and enter Malaysia with a second passport. Now Thai & Malay Exits compare you with your entry photo. Now does it work if your exit / entry is land, sea or rail. I doubt remote border post are connect with the main airport servers.

Enos 9th Mar 2014 18:42

The door doesn't look like a main entry door, but it could be a forward or aft cargo door, bottom right hand side.


For the T7 to over speed to the point of disintegration you would have to do it intentionally, Mate of mine got a 767 50kts trough the barbers pole over Greenland a few years back due to wind shift, and it wasn't a problem for the aircraft, for him yes!

LASJayhawk 9th Mar 2014 18:43

That picture looks more like the emergency exit hatch on a king air than a main door to a Boeing. :ooh:

Never been in a 777, could that be an overwing exit door?

On ELT's Since it's been 6 or 7 pages, and that's about how often it comes up. An ELT is designed to work in a potentially survivable crash, not to transmit if you hit the water at 600 MPH. Not to say the ELT isn't going off, but it would be separated from it's antenna. There is a picture of one of the AF flights recorders at the bottom of the ocean on the internet. If you look you will see it is still in its rack and the rack is separated from its mounting location.

sycamore 9th Mar 2014 18:45

T A G,wrong mantra...you`ll go high rotational that way...
Rudder first ,then pitch..

HeathrowAirport 9th Mar 2014 18:49

Final recorded track and height
 
I was just looking at the flight plan, IGARI -BITOD is 059*M so the final recorded track was 040* - Winds surely didn't give 19* of drift on the night?


The last location tracked by Flightradar24 is
Time UTC: 17:21:03
Lat: 6.97
Lon: 103.63
Alt: 35000
Speed: 471 knots
Heading: 40

Between 17:19 and 17:20 the aircraft was changing heading from 25 to 40 degrees, which is probably completely according to flight plan as MH370 on both 4 March and 8 March did the same at the same position. Last 2 signals are both showing that the aircraft is heading in direction 40 degrees.
BITOD-BIBAN is 035*M so I presume that ATC gave a shortcut or is this not common practice in that airspace, as it is with European during quieter times? As the final turn at IGARI suggests a route direct given by ATC.


Today there are reports in media that MH370 may have turned around. FR24 have not tracked this. This could have happened if the aircraft suddenly lost altitude as FR24 coverage in that area is limited to about 30000 feet.
So this may explain why there was a 0ft readout from Mode S as anything below 30,000ft wouldn't read correctly due to lack of coverage. Whatever happened, did so before the next data grab at 17:22:ish..

wiggy 9th Mar 2014 18:51


could that be an overwing exit door?
Not on any 777-200 I'm aware of....

DaveReidUK 9th Mar 2014 18:54


So this may explain why there was a 0ft readout from Mode S
We don't know that there was such a thing.

Whiskey Papa 9th Mar 2014 19:01

Re doors. You didn't look at a picture of a B777 as I suggested, did you?

andrasz 9th Mar 2014 19:03

1000 posts and 50 pages down, perhaps time to summarize the VERIFIED facts we know more than 50 hours after the event:
  • Transponder response ceased after 17:21 UTC (01:21 LT), about 40 minutes into the flight
  • There was no verified communication with the aircraft after this time
  • Last reported position, altitude, speed and heading as reported by FR24 correct
  • There was no significant weather in the area of last contact
  • No unusual ACARS messages received
  • At last known position aircraft had a remaining endurance of approximately 6.5 hours, equating to a range of about 5000 kilometres
  • Subsequently aircraft did not enter any area with civilian primary radar coverage
  • There were two passengers with confirmed false identities on board, further two suspect.
  • Same airframe suffered substantial wingtip damage in a ground accident in Shanghai in August 2012 which was repaired
  • Till now no part of the aircraft had been located.
  • ... ?

HeathrowAirport 9th Mar 2014 19:05


We don't know that there was such a thing.
I am sure I read it on here, that there was erroneous/unverified data.

MartinM 9th Mar 2014 19:06


That picture looks more like the emergency exit hatch on a king air than a main door to a Boeing. :ooh:

Never been in a 777, could that be an overwing exit door?

T7 has all Emergency Exits as full size doors. The hatch is indeed not a T7.

Not even a Boeing at all. 737th have different overwing exits ;)

Keep searching ...

ian16th 9th Mar 2014 19:10

Global Warrior,


you can depart one place using one passport and arrive in the UK using another!!!!! BY AIR!!!
Definitly.

A lot of dual passport holders do this, as many countries that allow dual citizenship, insist that if you have their passport you must use it at their border.

I am aware that South Africa and Australia have this requirement.
Two countries where there are many dual citizens with a UK passport.

roving 9th Mar 2014 19:11

Given the repeated assertions that terrorists would not use forged stolen passports, this link addresses the Thai trade in forging stolen passports which are then sold on not only to criminals but terrorists groups.

Thailand?s crime-busters set sights on passport fraud gangs - The BigChilli

JG1 9th Mar 2014 19:16

Mach tuck? Spin? What? You might as well speculate that the ap failed and it flew off into orbit.


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