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Miraculix 29th Jan 2014 13:31

Air Greenland Dash 8 gear collapse
 
A Dash 8 from Air Greenland had a gear collapse on landing in Jakobshavn/Ilulissat BGJN.

Of the 3 crew and 12 pax there was no fatalities, 4 persons taken to the hospital for treatment.

Wind was pretty strong according to the local newspaper Sermitsiaq.AG Nyheder | Vi er i daglig kontakt med de fleste i Grønland

TopBunk 29th Jan 2014 17:14

The windsock tells a story:}

Miraculix 29th Jan 2014 17:39

Now they are not talking about a gear collapse anymore. Only that it left the runway.

Miraculix 29th Jan 2014 17:46

Ohoh, there's parts on the side of the Runway... and ice.

Passager: Jeg lukkede mine øjne inden landingen | Sermitsiaq.AG

joy ride 29th Jan 2014 18:49

From the photo it looks to me like they were extremely lucky to leave the runway on a narrow shallow slope in a cliff-like embankment. If they had left from the steeper areas either it could have been much worse. Hope the injuries are not serious.

Miraculix 29th Jan 2014 19:37

There is a few pictures here.

Stort galleri: Her er det forulykkede fly | Sermitsiaq.AG

twochai 30th Jan 2014 10:13


The windsock tells a story
Hmmmm.... ASN reports surface winds at 29 knots, gusting to 40, 40 degrees off the runway direction. A recipe for violent mechanical turbulence caused by wind blasting over surrounding terrain at Greenland's coastal airports!

Local rule of thumb at most airports was 25 knots max, then divert.

Madbob 30th Jan 2014 15:32

I'm surprised that it ended up going off of the left hand side of the runway with a cross-wind from the right. In most aeroplanes the weather-cocking effect of the tail and aft-fuselage ought have promoted a swing to the right as the rudder (full left in this case to keep straight) loses effectiveness as you slow down.......

Was there a collapse of the left MLG as a result of a heavy touch down to compound the pilots' difficulties?

Just my 2c's. It will be a difficult one to retrieve and dispose of with minimal damage to the environment. Sure to be beyond economic repair with a crumpled wing and a mighty crease in the fuselage forward of the wings IMHO.

Miraculix 30th Jan 2014 16:26

Left main gear has collapsed. Question is did the gear collapse and then control was lost, or was control lost and then the left main collapsed going down the rocks. Looking at the skid marks on the runway is quite puzzling.

Machinbird 30th Jan 2014 16:32


Was there a collapse of the left MLG as a result of a heavy touch down to compound the pilots' difficulties?
Well, how did the gear door get left on the runway if there wasn't a collapse?

Once the port main gear collapsed, the dragging wing tip took it off the left side of the runway.

Did the side load limits get exceeded on this flight, or was there cumulative damage from prior events that did not result in collapse?

It is a rather challenging flight environment after all.

MrDK 30th Jan 2014 19:14

If indeed this was a landing gear incident, this would be the fourth time for an airliner of a Nordic country (3 times for SAS)

F-16GUY 30th Jan 2014 19:40

Dash-8 400 has a different type of landing gear.
 
The three SAS incidents was with the 400 which has a different type of landing gear then the landing gear on the 100/200/300.

But 2 years ago there was a Dash-8 from Iceland, that had a gear collapse in Greenland under similar conditions.

Might be that the Dash-8 is not as suitable under these conditions as the Dash-7 that Air Greenland used to operate.

M609 30th Jan 2014 19:56

Widerøe had one at Hammerfest as well.

StormyKnight 31st Jan 2014 03:26

Strong cross wind, heavy landing on one gear, broken gear, no option to take off again, brakes on hard (one side only effective), off side of runway.

Capn Bloggs 31st Jan 2014 04:14


I'm surprised that it ended up going off of the left hand side of the runway with a cross-wind from the right. In most aeroplanes the weather-cocking effect of the tail and aft-fuselage ought have promoted a swing to the right as the rudder (full left in this case to keep straight) loses effectiveness as you slow down.......
By the time the rudder loses effectiveness, surely the nosewheel steering will keep you from exiting into wind...

oceancrosser 31st Jan 2014 05:31

Air Iceland had a similar crash in Nuuk in 2011 Unstable approach preceded Dash 8's hard landing - 8/23/2013 - Flight Global

twochai 31st Jan 2014 18:47


Sure to be beyond economic repair with a crumpled wing and a mighty crease in the fuselage forward of the wings IMHO.
Not necessarily - Dash 8-200/300 values on the second hand market are so high, because the type is so much in demand now that it's out of production, I expect they'll very carefully consider their options before scrapping it!

Machinbird 1st Feb 2014 22:29


Sure to be beyond economic repair with a crumpled wing and a mighty crease in the fuselage forward of the wings IMHO
What is the likelihood that those marks on the fuselage ahead of the wing are from propeller tip shrapnel?
Edit, Nope, It is wrinkled big time.http://sermitsiaq.ag/sites/default/f...?itok=0p2xtaHJ

broadreach 2nd Feb 2014 00:11

What sort of speed could they have been at when they departed the level bit? The damage almost looks as if it had just tipped over the edge and slid down rather than being projected off the level.

phiggsbroadband 2nd Feb 2014 16:14

A bit more of that grey Duct tape over the wrinkles, and paint it red, nobody would know any different.


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