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imagine that, a mule?
sometimes I wonder if someone could mistake back up lights and brake lights (automobile) for papis. |
Problem is where do you stop with the what if's? The 'what ifs' are the whole reason you avoid screwing up in the first place. If there were no 'what ifs', there'd be no reason to bother doing anything right. :ugh: |
A mule? Stepped on how many of the lights?
Precision approach path indicator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://www.google.com/search?q=airp...w=1366&bih=622 |
No, compliance with regulations, procedures, best practices, etc are the reason you avoid the screwing up, or at least avoid trying not to to screw up, not wondering what if.
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Somehow the papi went to 1 degree instead of 3 degrees. How did that happen? I don't know so explain it to me.
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Originally Posted by jetpilot007
(Post 8180065)
If you are a real pilot, you would not compare Asiana and Atlas or any other incidents and accidents
I understand the Jabara airport was closed at the time and if it was and what if they were doing construction on the runway ? |
bubbers44:
Somehow the papi went to 1 degree instead of 3 degrees. How did that happen? I don't know so explain it to me. |
Originally Posted by Aluminium shuffler
(Post 8178825)
Now, given that so many Yanks lambasted the Asiana crew for being a few feet too low to get away with it, how can so many of the same group defend a crew that landed miles out of position? Just because they were lucky enough not to have caused any deaths does not excuse the serious lack of airmanship in this case. They were luckier, not better. Better to do a really good landing at the wrong airport, than a really bad one at the right airport. |
great point ozlander...and if a runway was closed it must have an illuminated "X" quite visible at night
ehwhatzhedoing...great point. defending the indefensible...asiana a true crash...atlas a screwup. big difference |
Here is the commonalty. In each of these accidents (Atlas, Asiana, UPS at BHM), the PROPER use of VNAV could have prevented the accident. In San Fran with Asiana it was a TransPac flight (fatigue), ILS OTS, new captain under training, and cultural/seniority issues. So load and fly the RNAV approach. Use all the resources available.
Atlas at Jabara. Approach was in the box, fly the damn thing. Its night into what one could assume was an unfamiliar airport with many other airports nearby. Use the technology. UPS at Birmingham. I don't know the A300 at all, but I've been told a VNAV mode exists. A reliable source at the FAA told me they basically V/S'd the damn thing into the trees and the hill. Fatigue? Early morning and low circadian rhythm? Use the resources available. If you get caught up in the argument that Asiana killed three and injured many more, Atlas killed nobody, and UPS only killed two you miss the point. The point being that all of these accidents/incidents were preventable had the installed technology been used to its fullest. |
Lesson learned from well experienced and retired pilots here in PPRUNE.....
I believe that I have learned everything I should know to become a better pilot.
DO NOT CRASH BUT SCREW UP IS OK. Who cares about landing at the wrong airport. Who cares about taking off from the wrong runway. Got it. Thank you all especially from old and retired pilots who never had an incident. I really admire your perfect career. I guess I don't need to come to this PPRUNE because I have learned everything I should know about how I can retire from aviation like you, experience pilots. Thank you and good luck to you all. .............:D:ok: |
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