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SMT Member 12th May 2013 20:57

What's really required, if the case is such that the pilot or cabin crew of NAX are unhappy about the 787 situation, is for them to go sit on their collective backsides and tell O'Leary of the Fjords his fleet stays grounded, until such time T&C on the new fleet have been negotiated with the present workforce. He can then proceed to register the aircraft on Mars, if that suits his financial jugglers.

Of course that's unlikely to ever happen, and until it does my level of sympathy for their "plight" shall remain somewhere between naught and not a lot.

Facelookbovvered 12th May 2013 22:24

Racedo

Bet you haven't got the balls to name which Legacy companies you believe have questionable safety standards or any facts to back it up, which puts you in more or less the same camp as other who post crap about an individual airline culture.

I think one of the reasons the Lo Co sector has been so safe thus far is the new kit most are flying and the sheer frequency of flight and type of airports operated into really keep people on their toes.

But below the surface there have been a lot of close calls, in other words luck was on their side, it wont always be so, with that in mind it is useful if people flag up unsafe practices or work patterns/pressures, I'm not sure that P2F is any less safe than some of the very long commutes to bases well away from what most would call home, It is my personal view that no sick pay is the biggest threat to safety, but thankfully limited to a few companies at least for now, it should be outlawed throughout Europe, like wise a ratio of 75/25% employed -v- contract should be the min/max, that will cover any reasonable seasonality, what we have now is abuse.

bluecode 13th May 2013 11:47


I think one of the reasons the Lo Co sector has been so safe thus far is the new kit most are flying and the sheer frequency of flight and type of airports operated into really keep people on their toes.

But below the surface there have been a lot of close calls, in other words luck was on their side, it wont always be so, with that in mind it is useful if people flag up unsafe practices or work patterns/pressures,
I'm sorry but that's nonsense and indeed an insult to the pilots of lo co operators. Do you even work in the industry? I don't see how you can say that if you're actually a pilot. You are seriously uninformed. You simply cannot say it's pure luck that there haven't been many accidents. Luck has nothing to do with it. It is rare indeed that the an aircraft accident these days could be described as bad luck.

But all this is irrelevant to the point of this thread. Ryanair is not Irish registered because it's convenient. It's Irish registered because Tony Ryan was Irish. Tony Ryan is also part of the reason why Ireland has such a large population of leasing companies. He helped found GPA and that led in turn to dozens of other companies setting up shop. Mostly for good business reasons.

The fact of the matter is that Norway is an expensive place to do business so that almost anywhere else in Europe makes more sense to be based. It just so happens that they're leasing aircraft from an Irish leasing company, ILFC. It just makes good business sense. Instead of attacking another country's business practices may Norway would see fit to try and make it more attractive for inward investment. Or are they too rich with all that oil to care?

They have priced themselves out of it. Only they are to blame.

The fact and reality is that most of the flight crew will not be Norwegian and I suspect will not be in the mood to pay Norwegian taxes.

racedo 13th May 2013 20:05


Bet you haven't got the balls to name which Legacy companies you believe have questionable safety standards or any facts to back it up, which puts you in more or less the same camp as other who post crap about an individual airline culture.
I read the T&Cs of this site so why waste my income on lawyers fees when not required.




I think one of the reasons the Lo Co sector has been so safe thus far is the new kit most are flying and the sheer frequency of flight and type of airports operated into really keep people on their toes.

But below the surface there have been a lot of close calls, in other words luck was on their side, it wont always be so, with that in mind it is useful if people flag up unsafe practices or work patterns/pressures, I'm not sure that P2F is any less safe than some of the very long commutes to bases well away from what most would call home, It is my personal view that no sick pay is the biggest threat to safety, but thankfully limited to a few companies at least for now, it should be outlawed throughout Europe, like wise a ratio of 75/25% employed -v- contract should be the min/max, that will cover any reasonable seasonality, what we have now is abuse.
Again your opinion and thats it.


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