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zomerkoning 12th Nov 2012 14:13

ETS on hold for about a year....
 
Seems like someone in Brussels finally got some sense knocked into them... Now it's up te ICAO to find a solution everyone supports... no easy task...

EU Freezes ETS Law For Airlines

EU to Stop Enforcement of Carbon Curbs on Foreign Flights - Bloomberg

Europe stops carbon clock | Air Traffic Management | Air Traffic Management - ATM and CMS Industry online, the latest air traffic control industry, CAA, ANSP, SESAR and NEXTGEN news, events, supplier directory and magazine

CargoOne 12th Nov 2012 15:20

It just shows how useless we are inside EU and anyway thanks to China and US saving us!

Burnie5204 12th Nov 2012 20:31

But are the airlines likely to reduce their fares again now that they arent having to pay ETS or are the accountants just going to see a source of extra profit....

fmgc 12th Nov 2012 21:02


or are the accountants just going to see a source of extra profit....
Or a return to profit to allow some airlines to survive.

The flying public have had it far too cheap in the near past and if there isn't going to be masses of jobs lost in the aviation industry fares have to rise.

Longhitter 13th Nov 2012 06:10

Don't get too excited...
 
ETS will still apply for all flights within the EU, it has only been suspended for a year for flights to/from countries outside of the EU... :mad:

fmgc 13th Nov 2012 07:49

Well if those countries outside of the EU are refusing to pay it and it forces them to delay implementation for them, then maybe we, inside the EU, should do the same.

This is utter utter madness.

Denti 13th Nov 2012 09:53

Letting european airlines pay for "domestic" intra-european flights where all other airlines flying into the EU do not have to pay is a direct threat to all european based airlines that do compete on an international level. But it is right in line with the current political direction in many european countries where it is absolutely normal that politicians do their best to get rid of the european based airline business. Of course the politicians do not care when they can fly whenever they want with their military VIP transports (in my country a fleet of several A340s, A319ACJ and quite a few global express). Simply put: more taxes from european based airlines while non-EU airlines get directly financial help if they buy airbus aircraft.

mct777 13th Nov 2012 10:57

They have only "suspended" this scheme for a year as they know they can't in force it. Its complete and utter tripe. Countries such as India and China would not stand for it, and furthermore its not be welcomed in America either (for obvious reasons).

They know by insisting on this stupid scheme they are likely to cut off valuable trade especially in our present ecomomic time.

punkalouver 13th Nov 2012 11:28


Originally Posted by Longhitter (Post 7516807)
ETS will still apply for all flights within the EU, it has only been suspended for a year for flights to/from countries outside of the EU... :mad:

I really don't understand you Europeans. It is like you are determined to strangle yourselves with endless regulation.

People latch onto this ridiculous unproven carbon idea which any rational observer can see is just that...unproven. As the economy swirls down the toilet, more and more regulation and taxes. Yet you have something that could be a boon to you.....Shale gas/oil.

Hundreds of thousands of good jobs can be created by going full out in extracting this... Not only that, like the U.S. which is now predicted to overtake Russia and Saudi Arabia in prduction in a decade, you could have the trillions of dollars that come with it. And the cheap energy costs.

Problem solved and then then the cost cutting of the scary beuraucracies that needs to be done can be done without an endless recession.

But, people are too beholden by the pie in the sky do gooders. Take my suggestion...the solution is at hand....dig it out of the ground.

fmgc 13th Nov 2012 11:30

Tell us how to get rid of these unelected Eurocrats in Brussels and then we will!!

Intruder 13th Nov 2012 16:25


Letting european airlines pay for "domestic" intra-european flights where all other airlines flying into the EU do not have to pay is a direct threat to all european based airlines that do compete on an international level.
I don't see any logic here. Intra-European flights do not compete AT ALL with Europe-Asia or Europe-US flights, so the pricing structures are completely independent. An airline only needs to increase the price of those "local" tickets to cover the carbon tax and the brokers' profits & commissions.

The SSK 14th Nov 2012 08:20

ETS as it stood up until a couple of days ago introduced a competitive disadvantage for European hub carriers vis-à-vis the likes of SIA, the US majors but most particularly the Gulf carriers.

With the moratorium, a competitive disadvantage is still there, but very much reduced. (Believe me, I’ve done the math)

Lookleft 15th Nov 2012 03:40

The Chinese boycott of Airbus products might have also had a bit to do with the backdown.


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