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tubby linton 19th Oct 2012 19:30

The last full blown evacuation in the UK was the VS A330 back in the spring.

edi_local 19th Oct 2012 19:48

I do wonder how much of the "total panic" is caused by people not listening to the safety demo and not having a clue what to do, or getting in the way of those who did listen and are trying to get out. One report suggests the crew had to shout at people to leave their cases onboard...is that really where peoples priorities lie when evacuating an aircraft? :} :mad:

2Planks 19th Oct 2012 19:54

And given this was a Friday morning Alicante what % of the pax had already had a few before embarking on the stag/hen night express??!!

fonejacker 19th Oct 2012 20:02

The noise is the EVAC alarm, it's in most airlines standard operating procedures to turn it off during the evacuation, so that other commands can be heard. I don't work for Jet2, so can't say whether their SOPs are different.

EGPFlyer 19th Oct 2012 20:31

The stereotypical references in this thread are cringeworthy:ugh:

2Planks 19th Oct 2012 20:47

Rest assured my comment would have applied if the ac had been leaving STN LBA BHX or anywhere else. ALC was my local airport for 5 years - the standing joke at work for anyone on a Fri AM flight was "How many Elvis's?"

Eff Oh 19th Oct 2012 21:12

Agreed EGPFlyer.......... Cringeworthy! :ugh: := :ugh:

Lord Spandex Masher 19th Oct 2012 21:33

Really, why do we bother?

This whole quote, in particular the bold bit, just highlights how ignorant and stupid passengers can be. Take a bow Jean and Gordon you are utterly deficient. Cretins.

From the Scotsman

Jean Walker said: “It was terrifying. We were about to take off and the plane started shuddering and there were lights flashing and smoke. The crew started shouting ‘get out, get out’.

“We were sitting at the wing, and the girl opened the door and we went out on the wing but there wasn’t a chute there.

“There were about eight or ten of us on the wing and I was saying people couldn’t come out because there was no chute.


“Two girls jumped off the wing on to the ground, they were OK.

“Other people got hurt coming down the chutes, they were inflated but the hostesses were just shouting ‘jump, jump’ and people were just banging into each other at the bottom and about four people were taken to hospital.”

Her husband Gordon added: “The stewardesses were panicking and shouting at people to go one way, then the other.

axefurabz 19th Oct 2012 21:40

Don't suppose anybody noticed the name of Jet2's MD: Ian Doubtfire.

merlinxx 19th Oct 2012 21:44

Leave Ian out of it..
 
I'm glad I don't have to suck up to trash pax that now infest our air carriers:ugh:

Alex757 19th Oct 2012 21:47

"we went out on the wing but there wasn’t a chute there"

It's unbelievable how stupid people are.

LEGAL TENDER 19th Oct 2012 22:01

so many classist comments to denigrate the average passenger on a low cost holiday flight.. Would you like them to apologise for being a paying customer and keeping you/us in a job (I say us even being in ATC, all part of the same system)

cwatters 19th Oct 2012 22:35


"we went out on the wing but there wasn’t a chute there"

It's unbelievable how stupid people are.
Are you saying they are stupid for using the wing exit or for expecting some way down to the ground from there?

I've listened to many safety briefings but can't recall any that said not to use the wing exit (look for your nearest) or explaining how to get down?

Only five days ago people broke legs jumping off the wing..

Several injured after fire on board jet : Views and News from Norway

Lord Spandex Masher 20th Oct 2012 04:31


“There were about eight or ten of us on the wing and I was saying people couldn’t come out because there was no chute.
Are you saying she's clever for trying to keep people in a smoke filled cabin?

There is a way down to the ground and if they'd bothered to even look at the safety card they would have seen this. If the were sitting in the emergency exit row they would have been briefed by the cabin crew.

I would rather have a broken leg than take a breath of something that could kill me.

anengineer 20th Oct 2012 08:44


Originally Posted by edi_local
One report suggests the crew had to shout at people to leave their cases onboard...is that really where peoples priorities lie when evacuating an aircraft?

Look at the Iberia vid Jet2impress posted, you can see pax opening the bins to get their stuff before evacuating.

That said, it's all very well the 'avios' on here snorting derision at the 'stupid' pax. Rolling eyes and pointing fingers at how daft passengers are isn't going to increase safety is it. Accepting that people behave as they do (and probably always will), especially in groups, even moreso in panic, and working in systems to minimise the threats caused by that behaviour is what is needed.

If they'd all burned to death because of half of them trying to get their duty-frees, would this place be filled more with comments about to avert a repeat or comments about how moronic they all were, with references to Darwin awards etc ?

wiggy 20th Oct 2012 09:41


"we went out on the wing but there wasn’t a chute there"

It's unbelievable how stupid people are.
Well that's solved that problem :sad:.

As a regular traveller on a shorthaul type "down the back" I know the standard safety contains a lot of talk about slides and removing high heeled shoes :E but the brief for the overwing exits "stops" at the point you've got out of the exit.....

Now being crew, albeit on another type, I know what to expect when out on the wing...obvious isn't it? That in mind I've just done a straw poll of my family, who also occasionally travel on the same type, and guess what? I've had various answers, at least one of which was "there must be a slide" :uhoh:.......

So as well as kicking myself for not making sure my family have been adequately briefed in that past I also have to ask: Is it just possible some safety briefs need a rethink and a rewrite?

davidjpowell 20th Oct 2012 09:43

I'm going to wander in as an observer - before wandering out.

Every time there is one of these evacuations there are comments about dumb passengers not listening to the briefing, and taking stuff that they should not.

If these really are issues perhaps the industry should change the way that it works, as the safety briefing clearly is not working in its current form.

As it is everyone got out, with few injuries, so perhaps its not such a problem.

Tinribs 20th Oct 2012 09:50

PAX EVAC EXPERTISE
 
We crew have allowed an attitude to develop over many years that it is not cool to read the safety instructions, where no chute would be shown for the wing exits, and talking during the demo is ok

Can you recall anyone seated near you looking about for the nearest exit

When did you ever see a pax feel under a seat for the life jacket when told there is one present of pull a lap strap tight

Passengers feel that we must look after them and they have no part to play in safety, it is perhaps an offspring of the teachers should teach us we have no duty to learn mentality.

It is not just the young. Some years ago a moderately middle aged and rather stuck up male pax carelessly opened an overhead locker causing a case to fall on my head. When I asked him to be more careful and perhaps listen to the cabin crew warning about this danger he said stop making a silly fuss it was an accident, obvously he had no involvement

Windsprite 20th Oct 2012 10:08

Would you believe it? They are speaking English in the evacuation video!!


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