Shy Talk
 

I agree about the cool heads being needed.

The problem is that at what moment does keeping a cool head become ignoring a real problem ?

Because fire on an aircraft is such a serious problem I think the industry has to except that there are going to be few false alarms. Even taking just the money into account (without the human costs) if you avoid the destruction of one aircraft because of fifty false alarms you would still be in Proffit.

Some on this forum might see this as some empty headed bimo panicking, I take the view that it was a Cabin Crew member who had to take a split second decision and that decision was the safe option.

I am told that if Fire is suspected it is Jet2 SOP to the evacuate the aircraft immediately, perhaps ( and I mean perhaps) if the SOP gave the captain an option of some thinking time after the stop then the aircraft would not have been evacuated.

In my opinion all the crew did an excellent job within the scope of the company SOP's

As for exit rows staying empty because nobody has paid to sit there - yes I have seen that on Vueling.
On EZ unless I am mistaken crew will move pax to the row if those seats are not taken.
This thread seems to be a bit worked to death but I say again that I have never had a briefing missed when sitting in that row.
Or, the last row on those carriers that have it as an exit; Ryanair does I believe.

IIRC CAP 748 (happy to be corrected by a CC professional if it has been eurofied) mandated that UK aircraft had to have a person sat in the seat closest to the emergency exit. Used it to my benefit once locos started to charge for the extra leg room - after door closed just move and have a quiet word.

Though of note (as this was originally a Jet2.com thread) Jet2.com charge the same for pre-booking an exit seat as for a standard seat (£6.99) "due to the slide bustle partially intruding on your extra legroom" compared to £16.99 to pre-book an extra-legroom seat in either the extra-legroom rows or exit rows

No one listens any more
 

No one listens any more we have this flying thing covered.We have been flying now for a hundred years what can go wrong we are so good at it.Most of the travelling public think aeroplanes are magical machines how do they work and fly no idea, they feel safe in there pretty painted hoilday jet. Going flying is serious for every one on board you are now part of a team so you must listen and read and under stand or stay at home.

Nudge..... So do Jet2 do "packs-off" take offs or not?

Yes, it's an approved procedure when bleeds off required with a u/s APU, although not often used.

So, SOP is packs on fed via APU bleed? So possible APU problem? Over filled with oil.....?

If this was the case it would certainly present itself as more than water vapour.

Well standard is engine bleeds and packs on. If bleeds off required for perf then yes engine bleeds off APU bleed for the packs if the APU is serviceable.

ABPs
 

Just a thought....

Why don't the CAA EASA or whoever insist that we adopt the same rule as in the US when I worked there.....? If you identified yourself at check in as Police, Fire, Ambulance, Military or Aircrew you would be given the exit row seat to assist in an emergency.

Ah, I forgot, we don't really check in anymore.....! It on the interweb.

The lot I work for now have the CC assess the ABPs when they take their seats for suitability, both physically and, very importantly, MENTALLY. This appears to work and we don't have old grannies or dopey kids in baseball caps acting as ABPs. :ugh:

So, no problem with perf ex GLA to ALC so assume packs running on Engine bleed? Allegedly nothing wrong with A/C. Hmmm.......Odd. True smoke could only come from xs oil, mechanical failure in the pack or de-icing fluid (aircraft or runway). It should be easy to discount some/all of these..... and so perhaps it was water vapour. Whatever - no one died and lessons will be learned.

A4
 

Are you a fan of the asmatic aircraft from Toulouse that always seems to take off with the bleeds off ?

The 737NG almost always takes off with the bleeds on, you might go bleeds off at Corfu in the middile of the summer with a full load, but this is unusual.

GLA-ACL at MTOW would a de-rated takeoff year round in the 737-800.

My guess is that the reason for this is that the 73NG wing is half a generation ahead of the A320 in terms of refinement.

I fly the Airbus (and I suppose I am a fan) and our SOP is packs off for all take-offs which is nothing to do with asthmatic performance but $. It's to save money because there's less demand on the engine hence slightly lower hot end section and therefore extended life / reduced maintenance cycle. When the aircraft are performing perhaps 8 take-offs per day on with a 200+ fleet small savings soon mount up.

Putting packs on after thrust reduction is a complete non-event, just leave 10 seconds between the two to prevent any surge. If you forget you get an ECAM caution displayed telling you in plain English that you have "PACK 1 OFF" "PACK 2 OFF". (You don't get the take-off CONFIG warning at 10,000+ feet when á la Helios.......)

Perhaps you misunderstood my post. I said that GLA-ALC would not present any performance problem. I was merely trying to establish if Jet2 did bleeds on or off - not which aircraft has the better wing..... (In reality, I bet there's a fag paper between them).

I think the crew did a good job by all accounts. The final report will be interesting.

I'm also A320 rated, as you say the packs off take off is a non issue but the weight lifting ability of the 73NG makes hot, high or short runways much less of an issue than with the A320. No doubt Airbus will leapfrog Boeing in terms of performance when the new A320 hits the market.

I must admit as SLF and a nervous flyer I have never felt overly safe on the old Jet2 737s creaks here there and everywhere, once we flew back from Barcelona there was ice building on the inside from the over wing emergency exit and the draft was horrible had my coat on, and my partner had her scarf on all the way home as it was that drafty
We flew to Dubrovnik with them 2 weeks ago on one of their 738s wow what a difference!!!
I would have no hesitation flying with Jet2 in future on this type of aircraft as it the experience was so much better than what we have had previously especially on LSAD 757 with no air vents above each seat and seats which were well and truly ready for replacement.
Jet2 need to update their fleet. I am just an aviation enthusiast so know what I am flying on but as a small single isle aircraft the 738 is my favorite

Holidaymakers evacuated from planes hit out | Herald Scotland

1 - That's what they do nobby.

2 - Justice? You don't think surviving is enough?

To summarise - Nasty thing happens. crew perform their duties. Crew, airline or manufacturer get stood up in court.

Only going to be one winner.

:ugh:

Next time leave 'em all on board.

'Former RAF Boeing pilot'? Is this an ex-AWACS TACNAV's 'Bee-atch'?

You know what: next time stay on board, call your lawyer first while the rest of the passengers are happy to evacuate for their safety! :rolleyes:

Rant over

It is, of course, always possible that the courts will determine that no compensation is due.

Lawyers have now been instructed by the passengers, who said they were injured in the incidents last month at Glasgow Airport involving Boeing aircraft, and have called on the manufacturer and aviation authorities to explain the cause and seek assurances such incidents happen again.


Last line folks, a subliminal message from the lawyers

"seek assurances such incidents happen again"