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no one gets hurt......ask PAN AM v KLM....wtf

Pilot manoeuvre averted disaster at Pearson
 

The Transportation Safety Board of Canada and American Airlines are investigating a near-collision on a Pearson International Airport runway that forced an Air Canada pilot into manoeuvres to avoid disaster.
Air traffic controllers ordered an American Eagle commuter plane to “stop, stop, stop” as it meandered onto a runway where the Air Canada Airbus was taking off on Nov. 18.

The 50-seat American Eagle Embraer EMB-145 commuter plane had just landed on a flight from Chicago at 11:27 p.m. on runway 24L, the Transport Canada Civil Aviation Daily Occurrence Report said.
Air traffic controllers told the pilots to move off the runway at the Delta 4 exit and stay off the runway, the report said.
“The flight crew read back the instruction correctly,” report author John Donaldson said.
A 120-seat Air Canada Airbus 319 headed for Halifax was moving down runway 24R. An air traffic controller saw the American Eagle “passing the hold line and stop bars” and ordered, “Stop. Stop. Stop.”
The commuter plane kept going and stopped partially on the runway, the report said. The flight crew contacted the tower with the words, “Say again.”
The Air Canada pilot “rotated around taxiway Delta 2 and overflew” the commuter plane in its way, the report said.
Toronto News: Pilot manoeuvre averted disaster at Pearson - thestar.com

Basil ....agreed......were both aircraft on the same frequency or was a GMC frequency being employed?







should be post 14 after Basil:ugh:

Kind of sounds like another nonevent since he only infringed on the runway and was probably over 50 ft when he got to where the commuter plane was. and could have banked a bit if he thought it would be a problem. It is kind of like driving a car down a highway. Sometimes drivers don't do the right thing but it doesn't mean you are going to die if you react properly.

Yeah. No big deal. Nobody ever gets hurt in runway incursions because collisions are so easy to avoid. Just pull up and turn. Works every time.

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Jackieofalltrades obviously understanding sarcasm isn't one of your trades...?

Seems to be something missing here. Another aspect, once an aircraft enters a runway (non commanded) would not the logical command from tower be to expidite position and clear RWY?

"Winner of this year's Most Idiotic Comment"

I think it came second:ugh:

grounded27,

Re "missing", see the original post. The Stop command was issued when ATC saw the Embraer cross the hold and stop bars.

Hmmm...that's sounds bit ambiguous and probably just newspaper interpretation?

I would like to think that ATC said something like, "Vacate runway (24L) at Delta 4 and hold short of runway 24R".

The Eagle crew read back an instruction to hold short of 24R. What I want to know is if ATC were using the red stop bars. They've always been in use in the past year or two so it will be interesting to learn if they were lit at the time. I crossed a stop bar during a simulator LOFT session recently. If I'd have been the instructor, I'd have smacked me on the back of the head. :ouch: Glad I got to learn that lesson in the sim. :O

P.S. What's going on with this board? Postings are all over the place and completely out of order??? Looks like it's a clocking problem. I posted this 8 hours after it says I did ...

Whilst no doubt it was very confusing, it's the kind of thing that you'll rarely condition out of someone.

I.e. Whilst you could train a pilot to react to both engines falling off with a calm 'Captain, it seems both of our engines have fallen off,' the likelihood is that no matter how hard you ingrain it in them you'd still hear a 'BLOODY BUGGERY THE POWER WHATSITS HAVE GONE'

Bally heck! I hope that's not what ATC transmitted to a taxying a/c as another was on the roll.

No, never did get sarcasm. Isn't it the lowest form of wit?

yup, but still one step above negative personal replies :)

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If both were on same freq', and the airbus heard "stop stop stop" I wonder how close they were to an RTO?

"It is always........
 

The toughest part of the job is getting to the jet, then into the left seat and the jet off the gate and to the departure runway. The second toughest part of the job is getting the jet off the runway after landing and back to the gate.

Most of my exposure to really "bad stuff" takes place during those two events. It's frightening how fast things can go from benign and routine to career and life threatening in this field.


Take care out there as you move the metal; as "it is always a test"
It will be interesting to know how long the RJ crew had been on duty

Respectfully,

Northbeach

Rather surprised at the use of the runways. Given the staggered arrangement, would have assumed that landings would be on 24R and takeoffs on 24L. Such an arrangement works in MAN.

Had they used this arrangement, perhaps incident may have been avoided? There is not such a difference in length to make one more favourable over the other for T/O. Anyone know why they they do the opposite?