Yak42 crash, Russia
 

Just broke the news. Appears most of the team perished:

CBC News - Russian plane carrying hockey team crashes

RA-42434

http://russianplanes.net/REGS/RA-42434

Apparently went down two kilometers from the airport. Several eyewitnesses say the aircraft was on fire while still in the air. Now reported 42 out of 44 on board deceased. One of the survivors believed being one of the FAs.

Well aware that any news reports at this point should be truly taken with a grain of salt, CNN is now reporting that the aeroplane collided with the "antenna of the airport beacon" as it took off from Yaroslavl.

Source article.

ILS localiser?

May be flaps? Seems to be similiar to Spanair in Madrid...

Three of our players as well :(

One heck of a non-rotation with such a low passenger count.

Flames 9 stories high. When? Beeb said something about it being before the crash.

I suppose there's the remotest chance there was an horrific fire in the rear, and a frantic scurry forward by 40 very nimble guys.

Now operating (for a little while longer) in this part of the world.
I have always said, the day I come to an airport to position & I see a former CCCP machine awaiting me on the apron , is the day I ask for a rail ticket or a rental voucher ( & a long drive) with Hertz.
I have yet to see any evidence that I am not applying common sense here.
Not Russian bashing, but jeez, just look at the statistics, for 1 year/2 years/ whatever period you choose.
Whether by bad operation/design/maintenance/piloting technique. . . death traps.
Sorry to be so blunt, and condolences for anyone whose Company/Team Boss books you on one of these things.
Me, I lose my job in preference to climbing aboard, 100% sure.

Well, that thought is more and more stupid to me!

No matter in which aircraft are you, when something goes wrong, neither Mr.Boeing, Mr.Airbus or Mr.Yakovlev would not be there to help you!

I must fly on soviet aircraft`s from time to time because of my job...and what to do!? Well I just do my prayer to God like in every flight, with western or eastern aircraft it doesn`t matter...and go...

p.s. and what about Domodedovo Tu154 ruggedness which saved many lives!?

I am neither a statistician, nor (thank god !) an accountant, but well, sometimes we can learn from statistics.
Time to get someone else to take care of your flight reservations I think.

>but well, sometimes we can learn from statistics.

In modern times more than often you can see this, statistics = politics (or shall we call it dirty economy)!

So maybe is time for you to think about your fears!

Yeah, coz the huge air crash rate in the former soviet union is just western propaganda and lies.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

in flight fire?
 

back to the speculation, please! Statistics in a rumours forum?
Seriously, don't those pictures of wreckage in the water look like the fire was in-flight vs in the river?

Such a sad event in any case.
The problem that Russian aviation faces now is a huge shortage of pilots. This leads to poorly trained pilots (that may get away with poor flying skills in an Airbus/Boeing) who are flying Russian aircraft which demand much more.
I believe the last TU-134 that crashed was because the pilot was a retrained helicopter pilot who has not developed instrument flying skills.

The country has 2 flight schools in which the students may flying 150 hours over the course of several years and the amount of pilots retiring exceeds the number replacing them.

First of all my condolences to all involved in this tragic accident.

I am not a professional pilot but I have flown extensively in the FSU on all the common commercial aircraft types that operate in that region. Believe whatever you want to believe about Russian aircraft but in my opinion they are no less safe that their western built equivalents.

If you want to compare fatal hull loss accidents in commercial service between Russian and western aircraft then go ahead but you will find that there are no clear correlations eg. Boeing 727 - 112 losses from 1831 aircraft built = 6.1%. Tupolev 154 - 39 from 1025 = 3.8%. Boeing 747 - 49 from 1418 = 3.5%, Ilyushin 86 - 0 from 108 = 0%. This does not take into account flight hours, there are many more ways of comparing but none are conclusive.

The biggest single factor in the majority of accidents remains pilot error in one form or another. The operating conditions in Russia and many other FSU countries are arguably more demanding than elsewhere and perhaps this is reflected in the accident statistics. It is not the aircraft that are at fault, indeed many incidents involving western built aircraft have also occurred in the FSU over the last 10 years.

>Yeah, coz the huge air crash rate in the former soviet union is just western propaganda and lies.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Propaganda yes, but not lies...when some russian aircraft crash is happened than all western media tell us about their poor quality, awful maintance, drunken pilots and similar rubbish...but when some western aircraft fall than max you can see is "well, **** happens"

There is no need for that kind of words, that is mix of "cold war" retorics and modern capitalism dirty economy

Please, lets talk in good manner and about concrete accident

p.s. regarding other western media, yes, there is much more lies than you think...just remember lies about nuclear weapons in Iraq before war or similar lies...we all know that western politics (dirty economy) is behind that!

" Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics. "

Still a sad event.

I was surprised that Yaroslavl had a civil airport, as it certainly didn't when I was there for 3 months in 1992. However a trip to Wiki reveals that this is a former Soviet Air Force Mig 23 base, which has now obviously become the regional airport for the city. I see from the local weather reports that there was a 7 knot wind from the North, which would give a slight tailwind component on that runway for takeoff (assuming that weather report is accurate), although I doubt if that is particularly significant.