DownIn3Green,

Anything is possible and nothing is ruled out. The investigation is moving on and they will find out what happened.

Both Pilots were ex-military with good history, but nothing is discarded.

Let's wait for the final report.

All the best,

Sydy

@ Supermoix:
Correct. On small types like the L-410, the DHC-6 and the likes training is usually done in the airplane. I haven't heard of one of those flights ever crashing.

@DI3G: Rightly so; none of us are exempted from that one. No one has said otherwise though.

supermoix

Yes, the plane stalled and probably with max power on left engine went into right spin. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/confused.gif We still have one sim in Ostrava, Czech Rep. so us who still enjoy flying this nice plane in Europe/Africa can still undergo proper training. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/wink2.gif

Supermoix, thanks for the info. As for the sim, there's one in Sasovo, Russia, but it's an older version and with Russian avionics, i flew it only for fun a couple of times. I heard there's one sim in Czech Rep. as well where probably pilots can do their initial training, it could be part of the package when an airline first buys a L410. Anyway, i don't believe part135 operators in Brazil train engine failures after takeoff, some even don't do base training, just ground school and line training.

Just watched the video again, when the airplane first appears it has its wings leveled, high pitch and at really low altitude. Maybe the pilots realized that they wouldn't make it to the runway and tried a right turn to land on the beach. Some extra hundred meters and they would have landed on the beach and there was a great chance everybody would have survived. What a shame...

Sorry, but you probably don't know much about Brazilian aviation. There are a lot of bad part135 operators down there. Recently a PA34 crashed after takeoff from Manaus, completely overloaded. On another case a Learjet crashed after takeoff from Campo de Marte due to fuel imbalance, the pilots didn't even bother to read any checklists during taxi. And finnally, a helicopter crashed a couple of weeks ago and the "pilot" didn't have a current license. A good number of very professional pilots in Brazil, but many idiots as well.

brgs

GVB

I don´t know if u are brazilian, but the accidents you mention was based in 91 aviation...and some of them occur few years ago.

Brazilian aviation is safe and with good marks, even in the 135...despite some airlines.


In NoAr and all the others LET-410 operators here, they only do training in the airplane, sometimes we see TGL´s training with these aircrafts

Charlie Alfa,

PT-EFS was operated by Amazonaves Taxi Aereo, so RBHA 135

PT-OVC was operated by Reali Taxi Aereo, also RBHA 135 as we can see on the final report:

http://www.cenipa.aer.mil.br/cenipa/...c_04_11_07.pdf

it even says on page 20 that the pilots were required to take sim sessions during their initial training, which was never done...

i don't know much about the helicopter that crashed in Porto Seguro, but just the fact that there's a guy with no license flying an aircraft around means there's something wrong going on.

cheers

Ok, so blame all brazilian aviation because 2 or 3 accidents you mentioned with a gap of more or less 5 years between 'em. I think you should get a life and see the world more often instead of saying so many BS in front of your computer

Yes, Brazilian aviation has been a mess lately and it is unacceptable.

Every other week there's an accident report. It can be a helicopter or a high performance aircraft or a small airplane. Last week, beside that crash in Recife, there were 3 more cases involving a helicopter and 2 SE airplanes.

Fatal accidents have occurred with pilots at controls without formal training and checks, license and medical certificate.

Basic training to prepare new pilots at flying schools has frozen in time with old and expensive fleet and outdated training programs and resources. Additionally, a bunch of instructors has been attracted to fly shiny jets or turboprops, consequently there is a lack of good and experience professionals in several training centres.

Everywhere, airport infrastructure needs a huge revamp.

ATCOs are low paid.

Some carriers pay peanuts for their pilots.

And the list goes on …