...hence all the experience gained in a plane which is not in service anymore is therefore meaning- and useless.

Then again I got a total of zero hours on a TriStar hence I shut up immediately.

Actually I enjoy 411A's perspective on both the L1011 and his unique view of himself as the defining authority on airmanship. Got to have something to bring back those memories once and while.

Not quite, but keep guessing....:}

spooky2

you are telling me that someone with 20,000 hours in an SR71 wouldn't impress you?

or a B58?

or a B47?

or a B17?

while it might be tought to have 20,000 hours in the B58, anyone with any kind of experience, even if it is in planes not used today, have a world of wisdom to share.

PTH...No one has 20,000, much less 2,000 in the SR71. The high time U2 pilot has just over 2,000. As for the B58 or what ever else, what's your point. BTW I work with a former SR71 guy and his total time in the airplane is less than 500 hours, but it makes for a **** hot story at the bar.:ok:

411A is an extremely interesting. I believe I know who is hiding behind his screen name but it's meaningless. "Thirty five years as a widebody Commander" looks good on your mantle but it won't get you a cheeseburger in todays world.

Like many of us on this board I suppose we try to put a face with the person hiding behind the screen name. How about some full disclosure and sharing your background with us as I usually enjoy reading your posts.

I have been looking at the Spirit now versus new pay rates and even though the captains only get 10%, day of signing the 185 pay is apparently for the A319 and the A321 caps 10% higher at about 204. That is about what AA 777 captains make. A lot of people are griping about the TA but think they should look at it more closely before they vote it down.

A. A pilot will receive the following hourly rates based on status and longevity as
follows for aircraft having a seating capacity of 99 or more passengers but not
more than 180 passengers, excluding the Airbus 321 (A321):
Captain Pay Rates
Years of Service DOS DOS+1 DOS+2 DOS+3 DOS+4
1 64.65 64.65 65.94 99.62 101.62
2 96.64 96.64 98.57 119.49 121.88
3 104.46 104.46 106.55 124.04 126.52
4 108.14 108.14 110.30 128.78 131.35
5 115.51 115.51 117.82 133.68 136.35
6 117.65 117.65 120.00 138.78 141.56
7 119.74 119.74 122.13 143.73 146.60
8 133.68 139.16 141.94 147.73 150.68
9 135.69 142.27 145.12 152.15 155.20
10 137.73 145.44 148.35 156.72 159.86
11 140.53 149.10 152.08 161.43 164.65
12 143.30 152.84 155.90 166.27 169.60
13 146.09 156.61 159.74 171.25 174.67
14 148.90 160.44 163.65 176.40 179.93
15 151.67 164.33 167.62 181.68 185.32
First Officer Pay Rates
Years of Service DOS DOS+1 DOS+2 DOS+3 DOS+4
1 38.50 38.50 38.50 38.50 38.50
2 61.31 66.22 67.54 70.63 72.05
3 66.38 71.69 73.12 76.21 77.73
4 71.39 77.10 78.65 82.22 83.86
5 76.35 82.45 84.10 88.19 89.96
6 78.77 85.07 86.77 93.57 95.44
7 80.77 87.23 88.98 97.97 99.93
8 82.60 89.21 90.99 101.16 103.19
9 83.19 89.85 91.64 104.13 106.21
10 84.22 90.96 92.78 107.13 109.27
DRAFT
TA
A321 hours flown per month are at 110% of these 319 and 320 rates averaged into the total hrs flown. Pilots get this per hr no matter which plane they fly.
+8% intnl pay
3K for CA's and 10K for FO's on signing
This TA was published by ALPA this morning

spooky2

my point, albeit expanded for clarity, is this.

just because a plane is no longer in service, doesn't mean a pilot's experience in those planes should be thrown out.

A certain number of people on these bitch boards are griping about the TA. My experience talking with guys on the line is a lot more positive. This is a good TA and will pass IMHO.

There are quite a few things in the T/A I would like to have for the American Airlines pilot contract, including their hotel policy.... Their pay rates will be higher than ours by the end of the contract as well...

Cheers
Wino

Wino, yes their hotel policy is better than AA. If we can get through the RLA barrier hopefully we can get back on track with pay. This has got to be an embarassment to our union. Hopefully this will set our sights higher.
Notice when fuel prices go up AA just pays? If all the US airlines pilot pay went up they could pay too. It is harder to bargain for lower fuel prices.

PTH, Okay I see your point.

Spirit Chief pilot?
 

The C/P and Op's man left Spirit rather than cross the line. Are they coming back with the new TA? Will the Pilot group negotiate their return, or will management plant a new clone in these seats?

Hopefully they will reinstate them but if they don't the pilots will respect what they did. They will be line pilots and will feel good about themselves. They did the right thing.