Maybe no rest for our fellow ppruner between AM Dutch time and taking off for the Far East.

Rwy in Sight

From the Wall Street Journal
I bet they did to try to get immunity. More abuse of the fine ASAP program.

The difference is that Delta would not terminate a crew for being fatigued by their roster but would when they blab in the cockpit when they should be flying.

Well done Delta! Excellent Just Culture!

To learn more of fatigue managment at Delta see this
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...ppComplete.pdf

sympathize for the crew after a night flight landing early morning,

Many other incidents - first was a BOAC VC10 at Sharjah - flew downwind at high speed and with the larger turn radius rolled out on finals with the new runway of Dubai on the nose. taxiways hadn't been built but had enough juice to take off and land at the correct.

Another gem was the 707 or DC8 that carried out three approaches before it landed Juhu military airport near Bombay - wrong airfield and rather too short for the 4 engined jet - ran off the end to prove the point.

And a couple of years ago Marseilles had the main runway closed for resurfacing - had the pleasure of flying with a low cost carrier who lined up on the runway full of rather large machinery - approach was burnt around 400ft - ten minutes later we landed on the open runway - day flight. Obviously wasn't reported as I haven't read about it.
As was said - there but the grace of dog !

Wow - I learned something ! Still not convinced it's a good idea, though...

atakacs,

can you sleep whenever you want to?

That plane arrived at 0605EDT after 10 hours of flight. I am too lazy to look up the time difference, but it can't be much from ATL to GIG. That means the flight left arround 8pm. Now if that pilot got up at 8 in the morning, he might just simply not have been tired until he had to leave the hotel.

That happens a lot on long haul flights, and it even gets worse when large time differences come into play...

Nic

There is some good news. Such plans really should be done by every operator irrespective of if their is a rule or not

http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviat.../Info10020.pdf

Hey everyone, we made it to Singapore all in one piece. Was able to Catch 3 hours of sleep on our way overhere. Yes, of course we have an augmented crew. (4 of us)
The point i was trying to make was:
No matter what all the regulators are trying to achieve by making up FTL rules, there is never a guarantee that a given pilot is actually able to catch some rest during a long flight. Regardless of whether he is 'entitled' to get some rest.
Also, a pilot on a long haul flight (like the one from rio to atl) is never able to accurately predict his future state of drowsiness during the upcoming landing.
You might feel fit when you start, but after 12 hours everything is different.

I can guarantee the non-flying public that every crew is at its most tired (by definition) at the end of the flight, during landing. Some people simply don't realize that.

Safe flying, cheers.

Y
 

fox niner is correct

the most tired point of the flight, for the pilots is the final few seconds of the approach to landing.

I recall when JETBLUE was testing out the idea that you could fly new york to california and back to new york with one crew in one day.

it don't work! so give up.

when I started with the BIG AIRLINE we got plenty of rest and time for food, exercise in very nice hotels. no longer

Western
 

Also note the Western Airlines 2605 LAX-MEX (DC10-10 N903WA). although with some assist from ATC