ATTENTION B767/A340 CREWS!
 

This a post to all B767 and A340 pilots that have answered a call for a short term contract from global aircraft delivery inc. If you take this contract you will be crossing picket lines against a large southamerican carrier pilot union. You will be endangering 400 jobs, and you will be blacklisted in all Ifalpa lists. Plus you might suffer legal consecuences with the country federal authorities. This call was made to avoid negotiating legally with the union. There will be nothing positive for you out of this contract. We thank you for your support.

How dare you try and restrict the activities of other pilots? What law says you cannot pass so called "picket lines"?

Dear Pete,

It seems that Stuka is only giving a good advice. To follow it or not is just a case of decency, dignity or self respect.

Stuka, thanks for the info. To be honest I am looking at the moment, and are 340 endorsed, (had enough of my current) but hadn't come across that contract.
At least now I can save myself the bother.

As for you Mr Tube.... I think were we to do a survey of Airline pilots worldwide, and ask them to scale scabs from gutter licking spineless pieces of pond sludge, up to apostle, we can rest assured they would score highly in the former category.

Pete Otube

Caution now, please..!
Just to make it clear:
Imagine yourself being one of the poor 400 colleaques down there in South America trying to sort out their conflict with the company - and some guy e.g. Pete Otube came around saving the company by flying for them..?

Wouldn't you be very angry with this guy destroying your carreer and maybe also jeopardizing your family economy..?

It is not nice to "go for any job at any cost" - sometimes one need to know the consequenses.

Good info STUKA..!

Best of luck to the guys in the airline indicated..! Hopefully they will come to some agreement with their employer..

Thanks for the info Stuka, Surely in our increasingly globalised environment,it is in all our interests not to "scab" for any pilots in dispute with their airline;no law against it of course,except the law of ethics,which some people,particilarly in employment agencis & airline management find hard to grasp.

What law of ethics?

What is the difference in the ethics of a striking pilot, inconveniencing other employees, passengers and shareholders for personal financial or lifestyle gains and
the strike-breaking scab who incoveniences strikers for personal financial or lifestyle gains?

Scabs almost always are abandoned by their new employers after grand promises and assurances. They always wind up being pariahs among the profession. The quickest way to ruin an aviation career is to scab.

Dear Mr. Otube.
I have been following your posts for some time, so I'm not surprised with your last one. How dare you talk about ethics? I remember your post in the salary thread. Please take my advice and look for a frustrated beancounter forum. You might find some simpathy there. This is a proffessional pilot forum and for the looks of it we all have similar concerns, ethics and dignity no matter where we are from. We are not on strike for starters, we are counteracting hostile tactics by management, and besides the right to strike is give to people by law, or are you above the law? Don't even mention lifestile because at the moment we have none. You don't spend 18 nights a month away from your family. But what can I say to about family, by the looks of your posts you are the kind that eats his children. To all the other colleages in this thread I once again thank you for your support.

Stuka

Thank you for following my posts - I am amazed that anyone would actually bother! I didn't bring up ethics - I asked a question. No, of course no-one is above the law - but there is also a right to work freely just as there is a right to strike when the correct procedures have been followed. Beancounter yes, frustrated no, did 25 years of being away from home down route so I do understand lifestyle problems.

Finally, I do love kids - I just couldn't eat a whole one!

It's scum like the above mentioned AS**#LE who make it bad for all of us hard working pilots who have faught long and hard for decent contracts. I'm willing to bet my life on it that this BELL SHAPED CURVED head idiot is a former SCAB. Get a life looser :mad:

Mr Otube,

Sir you are obtuse, agressive and frankly the very kind of self-serving, righteous individual the world of aviation could do without. It is hard to imagne you are actually an airman. Though I gather you are retired, a small mercy.

Stuka, you would do well to confine your posts to the facts and reality. It is unfortunatly not illegal to scab nor is a scab likely to suffer from any legal ramifications.

[ 07 September 2001: Message edited by: Dogma ]

Dogma - steady on -I don't really eat children.
People have many different human rights - one is to work and support a family (rather a large one, in my case)and another is to withdraw his labour. My grudge is with people who exercise the latter feeling it is their right to stop others exercising the former.
I support your right to strike - you must support my right to work.

It is unfortunatly not illegal to scab nor is a scab likely to suffer from any legal ramifications.

Serious question - why has no country ever made it illegal? Dogma, any suggestions?

Pete Otube sounds/reads very like The Guvnor albeit the handle is perhaps too aviation technical for NR..............? :eek:

Upperecam - I can assure you that I am not NR, though I have met him on one occasion which will set him thinking when he reads this..
Furthermore, the following are not the Guv either: Joyce Tick, Pete Ohete, Lee Dingedge Guy Devane and Bourbon-on-the-rocks and .....

More specifics stuka please...who are the airplanes being flown/delivered on behalf of, and how is this work being classified as struck work..and to pete otube, well there are no laws...but just imagine once that if a company is willing to dump on their own pilots, what will they eventually do to you, and who will support your cause? take a walk in their own shoes...ignore if you must the "scab" label, and the threats...just be realistic about it....why is this work in dispute, and why jump into the middle of another man's dispute?

Mapshift - I agree with you, why jump into another man's dispute? No-one would, or I think does, unless they themselves have a desperate need to work. If a job is vacated by a disgruntled employee then it's going to be eyed up by the hungry unemployed..
Strikes unfortunately don't turn lousy employers into good ones - it just makes them look for the next chance to get their own back.
It is very sad when just one group of workers ignore the other groups within the same company and decide to bring it to it's knees. Who fights for all the other employees who are not so disgruntled and want to stay working? (and I am not suggesting the scabs do)

I always find it rather amusing that unionists - who on the one hand are so insistent on their 'rights' - at the same time seek to deny those same rights to others.

They have the right to withdraw their labour, fine.

But what about the passengers that have entrusted their fares, travel plans - and ultimately their lives - with the carrier? Don't they have rights?

Or the shippers of cargo that could be affecting the lives of hundreds - or even thousands - of people? Don't they have rights?

Or the owners of the company - the shareholders - who have invested their hard earned money and want a decent return on their investment? Don't they have rights?

Sorry, people, but wake up and smell the coffee here. Not only do they all have rights - but management has rights as well - the right to source alternative personnel (whether short term or permanent) to replace those that are not working. Those replacement workers have the right not to be intimidated - and I trust that if intimidation does take place, then the perpetrators of such intimidation will feel the full force of the law.

If an employer is genuinely awful, then it will find good employees very hard to find. If, on the other hand, the action is simply one where the union is out to get its members a bigger slice of the cake (something which strangely in most airlines I've seen is usally at the expense of other employee groups - so much for brother/sisterhood, eh, comrades? :D) then they will get replacements - and pretty easily as well. Look at the Cathay situation!

Sabena too is a perfect example of a company where one union - BeCA - with its unilateral action (opposed by all the other unions) has put management into a position where they are close to putting the company into administrative receivership (Chapter 11).

Plus, of course, in South America you have Aerolineas Argentinas where the unions made continual demands, expecting management to keep backing down - but at the end they, too, were forced into receivership.

Pilots are allegedly professionals. The reality, unfortunately, is that many appear to be more militantly blue collar than Arthur Scargill and his NUM bully boys. :mad: :mad:

Hey Guv, no-one's going to believe me now.. (do you want to borrow a flak-jacket?)