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Alwaysairbus 1st Dec 2008 22:53

Airport Security again...
 
It seems the ministry of stupid ideas has come up trumps again at LGW....

All belts must be removed and put through the xray machines to prevent random bleeps going off through secuirty to help everyone move through faster... only problem is queues are longer with everyone grappling to get their belts back on before their trousers fall down.

Another great way of enhancing the whole work experience for us professionals. God forbid anyone finding an unaccompanied belt on the ramp now!

LGWSTAR 1st Dec 2008 23:07

It all came about due to the moron's on security not detecting planted items such as knives when put through a security test. Resulting action, re calloborate all the metal detectors so they are more sensitive, thus leading to almost every person going through with even a watch on subjected to extra screening due to the "beep" going off. So now im taking my belt, watch, shoes and coat off. Where will it end?

FairlieFlyer 2nd Dec 2008 00:02

If youre wearing something metal, you go through a metal detector then surely you would hope it does show up - Whats the point otherwise?

My issue is the boneheads who watch 50 people in front of them go through and then:

Look puzzled when asked if they have a laptop
get out their laptops out of their wee tumi bag
remove their coats
find the liter of evian water in their bag from the previous flight
try to drink all the water but give up after 10 seconds
have an argument
go through
come back
remove their belt that sets off the detectors most times they travel
blah blah blah....

LGWSTAR 2nd Dec 2008 00:31

Probably more down the the fact that they dont want to actually have an excuse to do their job so they make you throw it all in the xray machine, the beep wont go off and the jackass on the gate just waves you through without having to wave that metal detecting wand over you for 5 mins only to find it was your necklace.

Ex Cargo Clown 2nd Dec 2008 02:20

I went through the other day with absolutely no metal on me.

It still beeped.

crewmeal 2nd Dec 2008 04:22

I've just had 3 implants and a mouth full of crowns and bridges!!!. What happens there I wonder. Should be interesting at LGW. I hope I don't have to take them out

Romeo India Xray 2nd Dec 2008 04:30


I've just had 3 implants and a mouth full of crowns and bridges!!!. What happens there I wonder.
Simple - you remove your head and put THAT through the scanner

llondel 2nd Dec 2008 05:12

Well-endowed women will have an issue with all the metal hooks in their support networks. I seem to remember that US airports had their detectors at high sensitivity and were finding such things.

Alwaysairbus 2nd Dec 2008 05:20

It's working really well... instead of preventing queues with searches it's causing queues of people putting their belts on.

I would suggest standing by the machine putting your belt on to cause maximum effect whilst waiting for you now secure mobile phone and leatherman to come through the xray machine to cause maximum chaos so that the idiots who think up these ever increasing stupid ideas can come up with something else.

:D well done DoT and BAA for increasing the ever more apparent stress to airline workers. When a mistake is made and there's a hull loss due to a stressed individual making a mistake i hope they come forward and take some of the blame along with the CAA and our Labour government... somehow i think not.

spannersatKL 2nd Dec 2008 06:17

I assume that belts are an issue only at Crawley International and they are OK at Essex Intenational, Hounslow Heath and other spanish owned departure points?

Cosistancy....wonderful eh!

744rules 2nd Dec 2008 06:19

I was told some x-ray machines also bleep at random, whether you wear metal or not. Some security people allow you to go through a second time, others start searching anyhow.

Fournier Boy 2nd Dec 2008 07:48

I find it differs on which gate you use at LGW I can walk through Queens gate and 9 times out of 10 the change in my pocket won't set off the detector. Tower gate on the other hand, even the smallest amount of change sets off the detector.

My most interesting one to date was a small sachet (well under 100ml) of cough syrup which I had in my pocket. Didn't think that it has aluminium foil on the inside and they went ape sh*t at me! Full pockets out, check my credit cards and passport for razor blades (even though I carry a leatherman with two lockable blades on it......) Its such a shame the staff canteen at LGW isn't airside.... long live Toni's Burger Wagon!

kingair9 2nd Dec 2008 08:03


My issue is the boneheads who watch 50 people in front of them go through and then:

Look puzzled when asked if they have a laptop
get out their laptops out of their wee tumi bag
remove their coats
find the liter of evian water in their bag from the previous flight
try to drink all the water but give up after 10 seconds
have an argument
go through
come back
remove their belt that sets off the detectors most times they travel
blah blah blah....
You forgot to be forced at some airports to remove shoes, put on plastic "foot gloves" and put the stinkers through the machines.

Although I am generally against the new generation of scanners which show people "naked" - last week in DME they worked damn fast. Go into the cabin, stand on pre-marked spots and raise your hands. Then the machine drives once around you (whoever had an x-ray done at a modern denstis knows what I mean) - and that's it.

I was allowed to leave my shoes and belt on, had a lighter in my pocket and still was allowed to leave. And it was NOT that they were not watching their screens, others had to unpack their pockets.

PT6Driver 2nd Dec 2008 09:39

Stop complaining - this is a 'security' matter so no discussion allowed. :oh:
Anyway it is just a temporary arangement until everyone has bought their ID cards and we are all sooo secure and safe!
Then the real special security procedures can begin (for your safety and conveniance of course):hmm:

Kiwi red 2nd Dec 2008 09:42

This has been the norm at STN for the last month or so, it's becoming ridiculous we might as well strip off and go through!
I have a titanium watch it never sets off the alarms so the question then needs to be asked what is the point of metal detectors.

theothersimon 2nd Dec 2008 12:28

I'm going to risk getting this one deleted, but this is all public domain.

Magnetometers (the arches you walk through) detect mainly ferrous steel. They can detect other metals but at much lower sensitivity. The spring steel wires in bras are detected, stainless steel watches are not. Titanium is very hard to detect.

The arches are set to randomly tigger about every hundred people, whether you have metal on you or not.

As Bruce Schneider points out - while the worst penalty you get for being caught with a knife, is having it confiscated - there is no reason to not keep trying until you suceed. It's all theatre.

Simon.

Jean-Lill 2nd Dec 2008 14:50

Instead of complaining about security and referring to it as a theatre, perhaps someone could come up with a different method of making the aircraft safe for the pax and crew.

We all get annoyed about having to wait in the long queues to be security screened and having to remove shoes and belts etc. Surely that is better than allowing the maniacs to board our aircraft and put all our lives at risk.

Any suggestions for alternative methods of making air travel a safe mode of transport without having to go through the 'theatre' ?

Raggyman 2nd Dec 2008 15:19

Security is all for show, and really what does it stop?

If security was so good, why are there people being detected with Drugs after a long haul flight, and they are the ones who get caught after the flight, how many get through! Could have quiet easily have been something else, although the ticking could probably give it away.

I spose it is a good thing that these "imaginary friend" believers aren't that clever. Weapons can be made out of absolutely anything, it doesn't have to be metal.

Security is a tough job, especially when you have to pretend that you are doing a good job. It is a bit of a joke, but atleast it stops the grannies from taking on knitting needles, cause you never know when a grannie is going to turn on you.

The UK would have to be worse, you have people who I believe aren't the best qualified checking passports of people. As long as you have a good copy of a passport and the name on the ticket matches it, you are on the flight. Absolutely no-one from the passport office making sure you are who you say you are and checking the passport to make sure that it is 100% an issued article. This only happens when you come into the country.

If you are Mr Terrorist reading this, then I hope that all your promised virgins aren't hairy blokes. Who's to say that there are any there? If I were you would definitely want a down payment first.

spannersatKL 2nd Dec 2008 15:25

Who's to say they don't want hairy blokes??? May be that's where we are all going wrong and the offer is not nubile young ladies....just going out to get a life!!

jodeliste 2nd Dec 2008 15:41

I carry a bag when I go to france and in that I have had a penknife which has never yet been detected in 10 years also if you have one of the cases with built in wheels they have an internal metal framework, I have just for interest put a stanley knife blade (box cutter) alongside this frame and sure enough its not detected.
Its the usual story with all these rules they only affect the law abiding, anyone who wants to circumvent them will easily find a way. Security is mostly done for effect.


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