empty bottles....
 

Quote: At least now that I know that they don't seem to worry about an empty bottle, I can avoid enriching the profiteers selling water at inflated prices airside by taking through an empty bottle and filling it at a water fountain.

If you can find a water fountain that is....most UK airports seem to delight in hiding them, presumably so as not to disrupt sales of bottled water.

Wiggly Bob

The attention is greater for Airlines as for Example,
If you watching a News report in South America/Africa etc ..

And see a American Airline / British Airline on the News,
it makes World Headlines as they are National Carriers ...

It's been like this for year's PAN AM etc.. it's Big Big news !!

As the rest of Europe is now allowing liquids, this all appears rather trite, perhaps the UK should now introduce security checks for transit pax. preferably headlined in the Daily Mail as bold new step in "the war on terror".

Good move !

It scares people who want to sign up to that kind of idea

It further alienates the UK from mainstream European thinking.

It underpins further legislation to allow your local council to snoop on you in any way it chooses for what ever reason it choses.. congratulations !

Three birds .. one stone ! happy days !

TR

Here's an interesting article from "The reg" about the trial and the possibility of the bomb plot actually happening ...

Yes, there was a viable liquid-bomb plot | The Register

One paragraph leapt out of the page for me ...

"The message is clear - the British courts are fair, or anyway their juries are. You will be given the benefit of the doubt in a jury trial, even if you are a dark-skinned bearded man with a scary name; even if you have made suicide videos and you admit up front that it was your plan to let off high explosives in a crowded public place. If the prosecutors can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that you were also going to blow up a plane, you still won't be convicted of trying to."

No, there are a very large number of chemicals that could be used as explosives

Alanwsg

Thanks for posting that article.

I quite agree with what the guy wrote.

Even the current regs don't really prevent an attack succeeding if the terrorists are resourced properly. God forbid.:(

I see the press today is full of reports of new machines which can detect 'hazerdous substances'.

Methinks the liquid ban will be gone before this time next year.:ok:

Unfortunately whilst I agree it would be a wonderful message, it did rather depend on the powers that be accepting the decision. Latest news is that the CPS is in fact going for a re-trial.

"You will be given the benefit of the doubt in a jury trial, and then you'll get another trial and another and another, until they find a jury that gets it right" isn't quite the same.

45378:
Usual place is near the toilets. Whether that says something apart from the obvious one of that's where the cold water is already piped, I wouldn't like to speculate.

Dead right PW. Many common fertilzers mixed with a bit of kerosene or diesel will do the job. Did it when I was a kid, nearly fifty years ago.

I always ask the bar staff to fill my bottle with tap water (While buying a beer, of course).

And profiling too.

In the uk? your having a laugh there mate!

To air or not to air?
 

I was traveling when this thread was active hence the late response.

I was involved in both the BBC and the ITN test and would like to state that what was broadcast was an accurate portrayal of the tests.

That both ITN and BBC conducted the test in the same way and aired similar results and similar editorial is a sign that they are reporting facts without any spin or agenda.

I hope that airing the test has made the public more vigilant and so done more to prevent such a hideous event than if it had been censored.


Mickjoebill

Too late Wiggly Bob, they already have.

G'day ;)

Because TSA has convinced the world that the only way another terrorist act would happen is exactly the same way it did last time.

Can you say bunch of idiots running the government?

Also, we are oh so worried they will blow up in the airplane, so what does TSA do in America - throw all the highly unstable potential blow up liquids in a big garbage bin in front of security so when that terrorist shows up with that liquid, it will explode with the rest of the people outside security. Those human lives probably weigh less than those on the actual airplanes.

What a show.

If someone wants to kill a few hundred people at an airport, surely the queue for security is the place to do it. Stand in the middle of the meandering lanes of closely packed punters and kapow! or is it kerpow?
So we need a pre security security line to prevent such a thing happening.
Ah, hang on, we need a screen to stop people bringing dangerous things into the airport.
Umm, no luggage allowed, sorry.
Hand luggage, no chance.

good, let them try it. it is nigh on impossible to make a binary liquid bomb from two inert liquids brought on board separately.
This whole thing was developed and hyped by our great governemnt in order to pass some extremely dubious legislation which has removed many hard won civil liberties and freedoms.
If you don't or can't understand this governments methods in controlling the population then you must have also been brainwashed by them.

And no, i'm not some wild-eyed-consipiracy-theorist. All the freedoms that we cherish in this country have been removed by deeply suspect legislation, all of it rushed through after some over hyped event. Pedophilies and Terrorism being the two most used scare tacticks. I beleive 9/11 was the only 'real' event of the last decade that actually warrented a little look at procedures and legislation. Everything else was either completely made up (as I believe the liquid plot was) or super-hyped by people with an agenda.
I think we've all seen the engine behind gordons secret propoganda ministry in the last few weeks! so no need to look to hard for the culprits.

Having watched an explosives expert do the mixing and detonation on two seperate occasions it is indeed possible. More than two ingredients are used by the way.

In this instance I think the broadcasters are not supporting the government line because they are demonstrating that the device works with only 500ml (which can be made by mixing 5 x 100ml)

It clearly throws into question the value of blithly restricting the volume of liquids on board, when what should be monitored is the contents!




Mickjoebill

Exactly... hands up everyone here who has NOT messed around in his teens with readily available chemicals to make a BANG?

Come to it, I can't think of an easy source for HTP (high-test hydrogen peroxide, early rocket fuel).
I've got a couple of 5 ltr containers in the shed, but that's still only 35%, the stuff you use to clear the green from a swimming pool.
Fairly vicious stuff, leaves bleached spots on your clothes in no time if you don't watch it (we always refer to it as 'rocket fuel'), but I'd have trouble getting it to explode.

CJ

That'd be quite a trick, I wonder how long it would take? The first dog to win a Diploma in Chemistry - the mind boggles! But why get a dog to do it, aren't human-built bombs always going to be more reliable?

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