kwick.

If you're going to quote me please do so properly. I did not write that casualty figures were irrelevant. Kindly correct your post or acknowledge its inaccuracy.

As I just explained to someone who (politely) enquired via PM the moderators have deleted dozens of posts from people simply logging in to post some numbers they got from the media (similar numbers already having been posted several times before). The very same media that dozens of others have logged in to berate. Anyone else see the irony here?

On some pages these superfluous posts would have outnumbered the pertinent ones had they been left unmoderated. Most members here would prefer not to have to wade through such verbiage.


Duck

Thanks, Duck.. keep weeding out the 'weeds' in this thread.

Xolo, I doubt it, here´s the list of all MD-8x accidents,
Aviation Safety Network > ASN Aviation Safety Database > Aircraft type index > McDonnell Douglas MD-80

Just a quick update on the current situation at Barajas. The landing rate is now 25/60, and the total delay is 15600 mins. Most a/c experiencing approx 120 mins. Departures not regulated, and running at about 25/60 also.

Recap
 

Best I can figure out going thru the thread a few times:

Statement on Accident JK 5022 Routed Madrid – Las Palmas
SAS Group can confirm that a Spanair flight JK 5022, was involved in an accident at Madrid Barajas Airport today.

The aircraft, an MD-82, was en route from Madrid to Las Palmas when the accident occurred. We can confirm that there were 166 passengers and six (6) crew onboard.

The accident occurred at 14:45 local time during take off, aircraft type MD-82.

JK 5022 is a code- share* flight with Lufthansa flight number LH255.
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JK5022 left the gate 5mins late at 1305LT, subsequently returned to ramp
at 1342 and new ETD set at 1425LT. Delay due to 'technical defects
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EC-HFP C/N 2072MSN 53148MD-82EC-HFPexKorean AirHL7548Korean Air

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From the news and videos
Aircraft veered off runway
There was a fire
The hull is broken apart

Additions??

No, it ranks as third deadliest, if the reported numbers are valid...

1. Inex Adria Aviopromet, 1981, 180 fatalities.
2. West Caribbean Airways, 2005, 160 fatalities.
3. Spanair, 2008, 140+ fatalities.

Again not wanting to upset anyone, but in reference to the last post - Spanish press are reporting 164 passengers/2 Infants and 9 crew (which seems a lot) for total of 175. Otherwise all looks pretty concise.

Jotape, in Madrid there are never take offs in the direction of the terminal. Take offs are either from runway 36, or runway 15, always away from the terminal.

I was at the airport today and it was very impressive. Very sad. I have flown many times with Spanair and I know people who work there.

And there are still many family members who don't know what happened to their loved ones.

It is all very sad.....

On a animation on local television here they show that the complete tail broke off. But that is just animation off course.

The METAR history leading up to the accident (1245z) as follows:

LEMD 201300Z 14004KT CAVOK 29/03 Q1018 NOSIG=
LEMD 201230Z 18007KT 090V240 CAVOK 28/02 Q1018 NOSIG=
LEMD 201200Z 35002KT CAVOK 28/06 Q1019 NOSIG=
LEMD 201130Z 16005KT CAVOK 27/08 Q1019 NOSIG=
LEMD 201100Z 17002KT CAVOK 26/09 Q1019 NOSIG=

The news video footage suggests a 15L/R departure, can anyone confirm?

The accident was near Terminal 4, so I guess it was a northerly departure.

Thanks for the info. Put it in the dossier, even if we already knew weather was not really an issue.
CJ

I just wonder if the engine problem was similar to the British Airways 737-200 at Manchester several years ago? That was caused, as far as I remember by a ruptured combustion chamber and had been 'checked' by engineers prior to the flight. The 737-200 and MD-82 has the same type of engines.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nonemmet
The METAR history leading up to the accident...

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I think he was enquiring as to which runway was in use.

Sky news now reporting the MD-80 series to have a poor safety record?:confused:

Here's some details.

Intensity of the fire
 

Given the apparent intensity of the cabin fire, is the chemical-reaction-based emergency oxygen system likely to have made it worse than it might have been? The other side of the Quantas escaping bottle debate.

For those whose interests lie that way, I note that there is already a thread in "Passengers and SLF" dealing with the safest place to sit (on the floor at home?).

From what I have heard Spanair have a bit of a cowboy reputation in Spain.

Was on a TRI course in Madrid last month and in the words of an ex-Iberia pilot "Spanair are an accident waiting to happen."

His views were mainly based on the company culture rather than anything specific. Sorry to see his words come true in such short time, and I can only hope that new ICAO legislation coming into effect 2009 regarding Quality and Safety systems continues to improve aviation in the future.

A couple of questions.

Does anyone know the speed the aircraft reached on the first aborted takeoff?

Time period between the abort and second takeoff?

Thank you.