brilliant . . . . . . . . ! ! !
 

What a fantastic observation from cargosales ! ! Laughed my socks off ! !

Might be a high point on which to close a thread, which, frankly, served its useful purpose a long time ago.

Interesting to note how moderators differ in their approaches to different forums. This one has dragged on and on, seemingly interminably, yet in M & H ( where I more usually lurk ) any little bit of dissent is stamped on and deleted forthwith.

Perhaps a little more uniformity of protocols is called for across the whole site !

Sorry cargo sales but that happens quite often when buyers "think" they know what they are talking about but in fact don't.

My suggestion next time you want to buy something or make a comment is take someone along who does know what they are talking about.

Rainboe

Collyers was in BOAC'S day( and mine!!) a Boys Grammar school in Horsham.

I went to the girls one(now demolished and a housing estate!!)

it's appears yamaha has a point - bar the overt criticism.
 

why fly further than necessary when engine malfunctioning?
Any quick (defensive) answers ?
Yamaha's main point is valid. Well done to the crew anyway - jobs intact, pax breathing.

God save us- another instant aviation expert. Learned from an armchair? Did we post without bothering to read the rest of the thread- hmm....a valid first posting? Because- look at a map! 15+ minutes into the cruise puts you almost at the midpoint to Larnica (as some of the other aviation experts here like to spell it). By the time you have handled the problem, got weather reports and made a decision where to divert, and allow for a 180 degree turn, you are fast approaching midpoint, so a very valid decision to continue to Larnaca IMO.

End of discussion?

Collyers still sounds to me like a Crawley hot nightspot!

keep happy . . . . . . . . .
 

Let's hope so. There's enough discord in this world of ours,
why are we deliberately creating more ?

Well, as it happens, I'm suddenly in the market for a new Irony Meter as mine's just exploded.

You seem to have some experience of the retail world so could you suggest a good make / model please? Or perhaps come along to help me choose one?

I'm not fussed about looks, size or colour as long as it doesn't make me look like an airline pilot nor give the impression that I have any intimate knowledge of flying airliners beyond what I have gleaned on these hallowed pages.

Any advice would be gratefully received :ok:

bungle (rainboe) I am sorry but your "figures" just don't add up.

How about we get away from the incident which has been very thoroughly explained and talk solely about time and distance.

My informant in Egypt tells me that a flight time of 15 mins to Cairo but 45 mins to Larnaca does not correspond to the same plot on a map as you state. So please stop you constant attempts at blocking the truth.

From my standpoint I am more than happy with the explanations received here as to why they went to Larnaca but it doesn't change anything as regards where it happened. Or are you now claiming that Egyptian ATC is so incompetent they don't know where it happened?

sorry cargo don't deal in irony only facts.

The more time I spend on Pprune the more I think that this circus is a waste of time and effort, there are too many armchair pilots on here who haven't a bloody clue what happens in the real world but feel that because they have 3000hrs on flight sim they are informed enough to give their opinion/view as fact.:mad:
Like it or not, this is a site for professional pilots and I feel the sooner we make it that the better and the more informative Pprune will become. Until then I think Danny should refrain from calling this a professional pilot network or set up a new site called microsoft flight sim 2008 rumour network.:D

I think this topic has run its course and would ask the mods to close it.

yamaha-have you ever operated a jet transport aircraft through the Cairo FIR? Ever landed at SSH, LXR, HRG?

If not, you are any badly placed to offer any opinion on the subject. Trust me.

it is quite amazing how many of you just do not read the print.
My last post was quite clear that I appreciated all the responses explaining why they went to Larnaca and accept that.

That does not however give anybody poetic licence to waffle about where the incident took place. They are 2 separate issues. So jock I do not understand your response.

To ans you and hopefully put this six page load of drivel to bed.....


FL320, Airway UL617, between Pos. IMRUT and ASNIR.

Get yourself a European High Level IFR chart think it might be chart 10 but please don't quote me on that fact(i do;t have them infront of me)and have a look. Laymans terms well off the northern coast line of egypt.

Thanks Todders, I really do not understand the problem with just telling the truth.

I'll check my flt sim to see where that is.

Ok these are the actual figures rounded off.

Depending of course where exactly between IMRUT AND ASNIR it took place.

Max distance to Larnaca = 295 nautical miles
Min distance to Larnaca = 285 nautical miles

Max distance to Cairo = 216 nautical miles
Min distance to Cairo = 126 nautical miles

So taking my initial figures 15 mins from Cairo and 45 from Larnaca I would suggest it happened nearer to IMRUT. Which puts the figures at
Cairo 126 nm, Larnaca 295nm

It also confirms that my figures were pretty accurate and justifies the initial question which has been thoroughly answered.

yamaha-I'm not going to spell it out for you!

Yamaha, what a clown you are! I actually un-ignored you for the entertainment value you are supplying here. Your figures are wrong!
Allowing handling time and assessment of the situation and review of alternates and weather obtained, it shows a good call, doesn't it? Why don't you let it go- are you on a personal crusade to crucify the pilots, based on your extensive flightsim experience? Or are you just providing entertainment value? You are the exact example of what is wrong here- your questions have been answered many times this thread- back on the ignore list you go! Get back to your joystick and flightsim.

yamaha how long do you think it takes to prepare the cabin for an emergency landing?

rainboe. I'm almost speechless, coming back to this thread & seeing you bothering.

Trolling.
Better things to do with life.
Ignore button

Done. Losing patience though.

@danishdynamite

I really have no idea, 15 mins as a guess???

@bungle (rainboe) I really do not understand what you think you are protecting. May be boring for you, incredibly informative for others (not including the childish posts)

Again if you had read the posts from a neutral perspective all I would like to know is why? The answer without your's and others cretinous input's could have been achieved in 5 or 6 posts.

I say it again. You are whats wrong with this forum behaving as if you have copyright on what is allowable, what is asked and what is posted.