Lufthansa Hamburg
 

Somebody told me yesterday the captain involved in the near crash in Hamburg a few weeks back, was sacked.
Can anyone confirm ?

If so, do you feel any better?

Feel any better? What kind of question is that?
For all of us it would mean that the certain rules have been broken although all the massmedia and Lufthansa PR were saying all around that it was a masterpiece of flying skills and/or airmanship...

But at what point do you reject the landing?, that is why they pay the big bucks for four gold rings on your jacket. IMHO should have never even tried, Bremen was a good alternate that day and would probably saved a wing tip scrape.

I seriously doubt it.

Anyone who calls that a 'near crash' is talking out of their a** and I'd ignore anything else they said.

For all what I recall EDDW/BRE was closed due to the storm. This does not rpt not mean that he should have aborted EDDH/HAM - I simply wasn't there and therefore refuse to judge whether his decision to try EDDH was right or wrong.

Folks

Spare me all the speculations about what the bloke should or shouldn't have done. It's been discussed here at lentgh.
All I'm interested in is wether the guy got the sack or not. A german friend told me he had been and I just want to find out wether it's true or not. No more.


Hetfield

You obviously had a bad hair day. Don't take it out on me will you ?

If so, everybody at LH and the VC (our union) would have heard so through the gossiping circuit; I have not heard a thing like it. Also, it seems very unlikely from all the bits of info that I picked up here and there from inside my company.
So my calculated guess right now is: NO he has not been sacked.



Oh, and to all my honourable colleagues stating misinformed facts and to whom such an approach could certainly never ever have happened because they only take perfect decisions: Please wait untill the BFÜ-report has been published, and then instead of judging this crew, please think of how you will learn from the incident, and will try to prevent it from happening to your silly a**es during your career. Thank you very much.


P77

Pegasus77 is right, with every word he wrote...

Nic

Pegasus77, you are absolutely right! Would appreciate if everybody had this attitude.

Seems to be something of these days, "always the other who is at fault" Tell people sometimes "to look in the mirror first" before yelling and screaming.

My thougts.

cross wind limit
 

Would like to know if in Lufthansa F/O have a cross wind limit above which he/she can't land the plane. in CX even a 7000 hours (like a friend of mine) F/O has such limit. When I read that The Captain corrected and save that aproach I asked myself why he was not landing in first place.
correct?

:D A true word of a prophet. Indeed. :D

Who needs a report to make a judgement? The crew received the current weather report and still the FO was the flying pilot, did I miss something? :confused:

Yup
 

P77's point I think

Is it not true that under demading conditons (to which both crewmembers have been trainded equally) it is beneficial to let handling to the second-in-command so that the true captain is in position to call a go around while not being distracted by the petty job of steering the ship?

Is it not true that if a captain screws up the FO has a complicated CRM position and limited experinece to force a go-around? How long a delay is there between sanding a winglet and tearing a wing apart?

Judgement is superfluous. We want to learn and avoid. For that a full set of information will be needed and surely is to be found in the BFU report when it sees the light of a day. I hope to see answers whether:

• LH publishes operational and final x-wind limits to crew
• the actual wind was beyond demonstrated Airbus value
• an alternate runway was available
• the scrape occured with dual input

FD (the un-real)

I think modern crew resource management has now agreed that during conditions as stated, the crew is better served to let the FO drive, this philosophy has nothing to do do with being the operating pilot in dangerous wind conditions, is that how you operate, I hope your not an airline pilot. :rolleyes:

Listen guys

I merely asked a question following a rumour I heard. I'm happy with the answer I got. All this ranting about what should / shouldn't have been done is pointless, often coming from people who wouldn't find their own bottom in broad daylight.
It would be better if the thread was closed Dr Prune.

I have also heard nothing coming down the grapevine..

I suspect if it were true, I should have.

OORW

That attitude, right there, is a seven-word summation of the troubling state of our industry.

I would submit that the owners of the aircraft, and the passengers strapped in the back, would not find anything petty in the control of the jet on that day.

I am not pointing fingers - my airline has lost quite a few hulls (and banged up a few more) in the landing phase, thanks to a lack of skills in the petty job of steering the ship.

Hand-flying skills are more important now than ever. You can't wish that away....