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safetypee 29th May 2009 23:23

IIRC the ATR is one of the few aircraft where GPWS / EGPWS (TAWS) can be selected ‘OFF’ with a flight deck switch.
I recall an ATR CFIT accident where the EGPWS was OFF – a former Yugoslav country?

MAJIC9 30th May 2009 02:38

Yeah, remember that one... that was SiFly's ATR-42 that crashed in Kosovo/Serbia about 10 years ago..

ZFT 30th May 2009 03:08

Safetypee

You recall correctly. 3 posn selection Norm Flap (mode 4) inhibit and Off. Sw is guarded in Norm position.

punkalouver 10th Jun 2009 22:43

Still waiting for a crash report on an MD-80 about 4 years ago with a bunch of French tourists.

Romeo India Xray 19th Jun 2009 16:33


Still waiting for a crash report on an MD-80 about 4 years ago with a bunch of French tourists.
Just to make things clear, that wasn't Santa Barbara Airlines was it?

I have recently been doing quite a bit of work with Santa Barbara and I had not heard of that. Also, since the ATR accident, it would seem they have really picked their game plan up. SMS and TEM taken seriously now - at least that is the impression I got after spending a morning with their safety manager, and a couple of weeks with their crews. Obviosuly I don't have a "before" for comparison, but it doesn't seem as bad as many would have you believe in the light of the ATR.

RIX

PT6-6 20th Jun 2009 01:29

yes it was Santa Barbara Airlines.... the cvr audio is available in youtube..

postman23 25th Jun 2009 14:55

ATR tape available as well if youtube is correct.

Mike-Bracknell 25th Jun 2009 19:32


yes it was Santa Barbara Airlines.... the cvr audio is available in youtube.
No, the OP was asking whether the MD-80 was Santa Barbara Airlines - it wasn't, it was West Caribbean Airlines.

Romeo India Xray 27th Jun 2009 10:26


No, the OP was asking whether the MD-80 was Santa Barbara Airlines - it wasn't, it was West Caribbean Airlines.
Mike, thanks for clearing that up for me. I knew it wasn't Santa Barbara with the MD-80, but I wanted to check for the details the next time I am in CCS. You beat me to it.

I had found the ATR CVR on Youtube, but of course nothing re BBR MD-80.

RIX

Mike-Bracknell 27th Jun 2009 14:10

You're welcome.

Incidentally: West Caribbean Airways - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

PT6-6 1st Jul 2009 01:58

ooppsss my mistake, i thought he was talking about the ATR crash... there is also ( on youtube ) a "dramatization" of the West Carribean crash...

Furia 1st Jul 2009 22:48

The youtube CVR can be heard here



The audio is in Spanish and it is not good quality but worth listening.

On this video you can read the voice transcription, since the audio was hard to understand.



Rest in peace.


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