Rynair tail strike at STN
 

Anone hear anything about a tailstrike at STN this week, seems like it's being kept quiet

The RYR436 EGSS outbound returned the other evening afer a loud bang on departure.......... Monday evening?

So, Flap5 instead of flap 1 didn't do it, neither did no assumed temp in a crosswind. . . guess it will have to be Flap15 and T/O prohibited in a crosswind then.

Don't know which flight, heard on the ramp that the loadsheet was grossly incorrect but i thought there would normally be a report or investigation into a matter such as this

What does normally mean exactly?:rolleyes:

That is correct. Pilot was told but still wanted to take the a/c and dep.

Ive been told that the loadsheet was over by afew 1000'kgs. But i MUST STRESS that there is no proof of this at all.

Do ryainair still have those hand written load sheets beacuse they are too tight to pay for the computerised ones?

Thanks guys, guess on time performance is worth more than the hassle of sorting it out before departure, those are just the kind of people we need in this business.

Yes they do, and yes there a pain in the backside.

Please please please deny it somebody ... I'll be on one again in ten hours time and I don't have much choice other than something involving a long boat or train ride.

This should be spotted whether load sheet is handwritten or computer calculated just by ballpark checks.

In my experience more errors were missed on computer produced than hand calculated, but that may be a question of familiarity.

Really that many zeros? Where would they put it all?

The question is - will the UK AAIB take an interest in this incident ??:cool:

How long was the runway?

With an extra 10 tons, it's not just the change in centre of gravity that they should have been worried about. I just went in to the the performance chart for a B737-800 with 24K engines and 10 tons equated to an extra 900 metres of take-off distance required! :ooh:

Maybe there was a tail scrape because they were desperate to get the thing airborne as the end of the runway was rapidly approaching and they...

Actually on second thought, I think the whole idea of the captain deliberately taking off with an overload of ten tons is just not believable. I just can't believe it!

But then again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWtdtuspnoM

Anyone think it could be 10K underload, do we have to assume it was overload ?
What was the RTOW for that runway and weather conditions ?

Think of the crew and how the Pilot Flying feels.

STOP knocking people and finding guilt before the true facts are in, what gives you the right to be judge jury and executioner.

I know people will question me and ask if i know what im really talking about, but yes... the a/c was really 10 ton's over weight! And yes, a small 'row' did break out with the ground crew and the captain..but he still dep.

I was working this eve and was on the stand next to this a/c before it left. I walked over to see what was going on....the rest is common knowledge.

Ive since been told that both crew have been told they are no longer needed at FR...again, can anybody back this up as this is just small talk.

Well can you perhaps give some facts FR 8? I don't suppose there's any chance that the tailstrike is denied in FR circles? Precious few facts seem to have leaked so far, but no doubt the best are yet to come as you suggest ...

Meantime I suppose I am to boldly subject myself to this and a no doubt relatively harmless selection of other unknowns in the morning, based on the simple extrapolation that I didn't get a mark on my Kevlar underpants last time or the time before that, eh ? :\

I´m gonna have to agree with Night fr8, it sounds like good old Ryanair spite is in the air yet again. People (who are not flying for Ryanair) don´t realize that they probably have the most stringent SOP´s and safety measures in the airline business today. Computerized loadsheet or not, this is a human error, and could have happened in any airline out there!

P.s. I am neither management nor a fan of theirs, just sick of all the "good old Ryanair" bull****.

I too am nothing to do with Ryanair management or otherwise.
Just my nom de plume can be read that way.
I have to agree with the Borealis post, to the best of my knowledge the Ryanair SOP's are very good as is their training and operating standards.
I believe too many out here on pprune are envious or just dont have the intelligence to judge on the facts rather than rumour.

One tiny flaw in the theory:
 

I can see how one incorrect digit could lead to a 10 tonne error on a manual loadsheet...but you say the Crew saw this and departed anyway.

Surely if they spotted the error it was just a question of changing a 5 to a 6, or whatever, and, hey presto, no more error??

Or are you suggesting they knowingly did the calculations for the incorrect weight??

Sounds like BS to me.