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-   -   Article by COLUM KENNY of the Irish Independent. (https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/284172-article-colum-kenny-irish-independent.html)

snipes 22nd Jul 2007 12:34

Much better. (We can change the world at this rate ;) )

corsair 22nd Jul 2007 14:44

If the second article proves anything. It is that abusive and sneeringly patronising replies only reflect badly on the poster and achieve nothing.

On the other hand if you take the trouble to explain things and clear up any misconceptions. You might just get the result you wanted and for once a bit of positive press.

If PPRuNe can be seen as a source of expert knowledge and rational debate. It might do a lot of good. If it just degenerates into a typical internet cranks forum it will only do damage.

WideBodiedEng 22nd Jul 2007 15:37

At last! Well done, all
 
As Corsair says it is possible to get positive press! a little bit of courtesy works wonders. Mind you it's nice to give a few slaps also<G>
Perhaps Dr Kenny will take on some of the problems aired on various threads.
I for one would be pleased were this to happen.
Lets hope so
Good to see the latest article. Please keep up the contacts, Dr Kenny

moggiee 22nd Jul 2007 20:38

I'm pleased to see today's article and would like to thank Mr Kenny for redressing the balance.

I am also pleased to see that I (and other forum members) have been quoted verbatim, but can also understand why Mr Kenny could not guarantee that this would happen (he is, after all, in the hands of his editor in this respect). It is good to see that both sides of the debate were represented in the article.

I hope that both Mr Kenny and the members of PPRUNE will be able to continue to hold a useful and honest dialogue, without some of the unpleasant sniping that has taken place on this thread. I for one will endeavour to help anyone seeking information, and I hope that Mr Kenny will feel able to use this forum as a research tool in future.

MarkColeman 22nd Jul 2007 23:01

Indeed, much respect for mr. Kenny for this updated article...perhaps one or two apologies are due to him.

CaptKremin 23rd Jul 2007 21:02

The biggest lesson is how easy it is for the press to tip a story either way depending on their whim on the day.
I'm not reassured.

moggiee 23rd Jul 2007 23:56


Originally Posted by CaptKremin (Post 3431841)
The biggest lesson is how easy it is for the press to tip a story either way depending on their whim on the day.
I'm not reassured.

Indeed - but we can also see that when the research is done and the author of the piece starts with an open mind, the result can be balanced, accurate reporting. At the risk of sounding churlish, it's a pity it doesn't happen more often.


Originally Posted by MarkColeman (Post 3429661)
Indeed, much respect for mr. Kenny for this updated article...perhaps one or two apologies are due to him.

I for one am happy to do so - in fact I have already done so via PM

CamelhAir 24th Jul 2007 16:18

Its a pity it took such a reaction to make the case for a balanced article, but a well researched, fair and balanced article was indeed published last Sunday. If Mr. Kenny continues to write about aviation to such a standard, he would be very a welcome addition to aviation journalism. Research is a wonderful thing really.

ChristiaanJ 24th Jul 2007 21:00


... perhaps one or two apologies are due to him ...
I made a fairly sharp remark as well... so my apologies herewith.

Final 3 Greens 25th Jul 2007 16:42

Compared to the recent compost in the Daily Mail about the easyJet descent, I think this guy might actually be trying to get to grips with something that pilots understand very well, but that seems scary to those who don't.

I said this in post #6.

Sad to see all the subsequent sniping, when Mr Kenny did a very good second piece.

As a psychologist, it saddens me to see how many intelligent people fall into the trap of pre-fitting something to their pre-existing view of the world.

Hobbit 25th Jul 2007 17:42

Indeed Mr Bartlett would be proud of the redeveloping schema!

moggiee 26th Jul 2007 13:11


Originally Posted by Final 3 Greens (Post 3436930)
Compared to the recent compost in the Daily Mail about the easyJet descent, I think this guy might actually be trying to get to grips with something that pilots understand very well, but that seems scary to those who don't.

Quite right - Mr Kenny produced a decent piece of work second time round and should be given credit

It was the London Evening Standard that did the dreadful easyJet piece, but they of course have NOT corrected themselves.


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