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the dean 13th Mar 2007 08:07

ANA Dash 8 emergency gear up landing
 
something of an emergency gear or nosewheel up landing in japan...??

no details or airline..( which i assume is a local carrier..)

anyone with details..??

the dean.

fly bhoy 13th Mar 2007 08:14

Been on the BBC all morning. Looked like ANA Dash 8. All pax safe and a good job by the crew from the looks of it.

FB:ok:

Gazeem 13th Mar 2007 08:16

They've got the video on the bbc website,

apparently it was shown live on TV in Japan as it happened. Good Job crew.

F_Hercules 13th Mar 2007 08:27

It was a DHC8-Q400 from ANA, holded over airport for more than 1 hour to minimize fuel onboard.

According to newspapers ANA now grounded the fleet due to earlier problems with the DHC8-Q400.

clearfinalsno1 13th Mar 2007 09:12

Video: Landing without nose gear
Very nicely done.

Profit Max 13th Mar 2007 09:59

Nice how the pilot kept the nose up as long as he could, and until the plane had slowed down.

Profit Max

stickyb 13th Mar 2007 11:16

And the journo's say?
 
Knowing how everyone loves the stories the journalists make up, I just want to share with you the headline from the BBC web site:

Japanese plane makes textbook emergency landing - on its nose
The rest of the story seems similarly low key, for instance:

Aviation expert Soichi Kaji told Japanese media: "It was almost a perfect emergency landing."
"Apparently the pilot was very calm and did just as he was trained," Mr Kaji said.

srs what? 13th Mar 2007 11:50

I have to admit I was amazed at the reporting on BBC News. Very calm, no sensationalism - almost like it wasn't even worth reporting.

Agaricus bisporus 13th Mar 2007 12:04

Well, that's probably because it is scarcely worth reporting.

Rainboe 13th Mar 2007 12:11


Nice how the pilot kept the nose up as long as he could, and until the plane had slowed down.
An encouragement to do so is that the runway is approximately 2 feet under one's backside!
Really a very untraumatic event for an aeroplane. Damage will be minimal- just repair a few panels and stringers and bang the thing back out on service (might be an idea to remember to repair the original undercarriage fault though).

Few Cloudy 13th Mar 2007 12:53

Yeah, no sweat innit?
 
You'd better believe that a lot of thought and skill went into that landing. Once again - if it is a non event, you did it well.

Huck 13th Mar 2007 13:19

I was working at Edwards AFB about 1990 when a B-1B came in - it had been doing tough & goes in DALLAS and the nosegear hung up. They air refuelled and went 1500 nm to Edwards to land on the lakebed.

Had test pilots from the manufacturer and the USAF flying chase on each wing, and they tried everything in or out of the book to get the gear down. Finally the sun was setting so they brought it in for a picture-perfect landing. $20,000 of sheet metal damage. Our airshow was that weekend so they put it on display for the public to see.

I saw the crew in the O club that night - they had left home in the morning for a 2 hour local and were in California by nightfall - they partied hard that night....

Tordan 13th Mar 2007 14:00

Out of curiosity from a GA pilot, why isnīt the runway "foamed"? I can imagine a few reasons myself, such as low risk of tank rupture and resulting risk of fire when doing such a "low impact" landing, but Iīm sure there are better reasons.
Would foaming increase the chance of the plane starting to slip and skid?

Caudillo 13th Mar 2007 14:21

Wow, superb job. Couldn't even pull that off with all the wheels myself! :}

Maude Charlee 13th Mar 2007 16:14

They could have landed with all the gear up and no-one would have noticed any difference from a standard Dash 8 Q400 landing (except the ground was a bit closer)!!! :}

Nice job.

HowlingWind 13th Mar 2007 16:17


Out of curiosity from a GA pilot, why isnīt the runway "foamed"?
Laying down a foam path is no longer recommended in most cases. Part of the rationale is to avoid braking loss, but also to maintain foam reserves if needed for fire-fighting.

Link to Wikipedia

Agaricus bisporus 13th Mar 2007 18:46

Also, as seen, foaming just isn't necessary. There are few sparks and unless your airframe is shot full of holes and leaking Avgas (as in WWII where this procedure originated) there is very little risk indeed. Just land off the centreline where the protruding light-housings will rip the structure cruelly and try to ignore the horrible grinding noises. Holding the nose up is so common sense it scarcely merits mentioning, surely?

It also involves very little more thought and skill than any other landing, despite what the experts above may avow, although it certainly concentrates the attention a little. And, as shown above, often (usually?) results in little more than superficial sheet metal damage in smaller types such as the one involved. Coping with little nuisances like this are what pilots are paid for...N'est ce pas?

Even so, nice job fellas!

simonp 14th Mar 2007 22:52

This is an abbreviated clip. The pilot tried a bounce on the main gear in an attempt to dislodge the nose gear first. The commentary on Japanese TV explained that he kept the nose gear high till the plane had slowed to a recommended speed which is considered to create less friction and sparking. Japanese TV made a lot more fuss than the local news. Passenger interviews indicated that the pilot kept the pax informed the whole time and came across as if it was just another day in the office.

lowlypax 15th Mar 2007 10:38

From Mainichi News (Japanese newspaper) web site today:

Dislodged bolt behind ANA plane's belly-landing


A dislodged bolt was behind Tuesday's belly-landing of an All Nippon Airways plane at Kochi Airport, government inspectors advised.
Inspectors from the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport's Aircraft and Railway Accident Investigation Committee visited Kochi Airport to inspect the ANA Bombardier DHC8-Q400 that was involved in Tuesday's accident.
A bolt locking the arm that operates the front-landing gear door had fallen off, causing the door to malfunction.
The inspectors will reportedly continue investigating the plane.
Investigations said that because the bolt had been dislodged, a steel ring that covers it was moved and blocked the front-landing gear's door from opening.

A report in the same paper described how a passenger on one of the platforms at Tokyo station was hit on the head by a bolt falling off the roof yesterday. Does something happen to bolts in Japan in Spring?

F_Hercules 9th Dec 2007 10:52

Looks like the Q400 was delivered without the bolt from factory according to The Aircraft and Railway Accidents Investigation Commission of the Land, Infrastructure and Transport Ministry......

Interesting to see Bombardiers respons to this information.

http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/422578


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