pk 777 and flybe dash 8 collide at man
 

a pia 777(apbgy) and a flybe dash 8(gjedr) have bin in collision at man. top of the tail of dash 8 has big gash no noticeable damage to pia. both aircraft now sittin on apron at man. investigation starts tomorrow. no reported injuries.

Well, the English language has taken a bit of a beating!!

Maybe his profile is wrong

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Age 16:rolleyes:

Nowoteyemean?

There's no hope.

Sir George Cayley

Well, the English language has taken a bit of a beating!!

And when the quote comes from the "Wizofoz" or any Antipodean
......time to take heed:D

"Collide" is such a "tonnes of aluminium hurtling towards each other at incredible speed, culminating in an impact which bore such force it vaporised the two machines" type of word, isn't it?

I would have chosen "bump". Or maybe "touch".

Anyway, now we have savaged the poor chap's post..

Has anyone some idea of the incident's details. Location? Which was moving? Wx factors? Damge etc etc.?

Where's Chiglet and Scottie Dog when you need them?

Sir George Cayley

Well said Niteflight! Give the lad a break. I was there once and so were a lot of other people on this forum.:)

Yeah would like to know the details of that, were they both moving? One parked? On taxiway or apron? Any more info steve platt?
Hey mate dont let these guys scare you away from the forum or aviation, we have all copped that kind of thing on pprune before, its all in good fun. Anyway mate its only a matter of time before they start teaching Australian instead of English in schools and the colony becomes the coloniser.

The location was definitely the passing bay for R24L, the 777 was passing the Dash so i have to presume that the 777 hit the Dash, i also saw the tech log entry from the Dash captain stating that "whilst stationary he was hit by a PIA 777" so i would think that says it all, having seen both aircraft last night FlyBe were mighty lucky that there was little damage, (well a new rudder is substantial damage) but it could have been worse, IE vertical or horizontal stab damage as opposed to a removable bit! The 777 had a few minor scratch marks on the tip.

Keep em flying,

Runway 24L does not have a passing bay, so it definately wasn't there! Was it the 24R Passing Bay or the taxiways south of RWY24R?

AeroMANC

Taken from another site
 

"PIA B777-200LR AP-BGY taxiing for a 24R departure clipped the top of the rudder of a FLYBe Dash 8-400 with the starboard wingtip. The Dash 8 was at a runway intersection awaiting departure. Both aircraft are currently parked up on the west apron, 66 ish and stand 73, they taxiied there under their own power."

The above was posted on another well known website - by an airport authority employee.

Interesting how we now have one posting that it was 24R and the other as 24L. If it was 24L then we appear to have a repeat of the BmiBaby/Excel incident of 2 couple of years ago. Alternatively if it was 24R then it looks as if the flybe was possibly awaiting departure from 'JA' or even 'G' and got taken out by the 777 - it would appear in that case that the Dash was a longway short of the actual stop-bar, or that the PIA was well off the centre-line!!

Not trying to predetermine any guilt, just honest comments based on airfield layout.

Scottie Dog

From what I can gather, the Flybe was at JA for 24R. The PIA was taxiing to J and got it a "bit" wrong. :rolleyes:

Light graze perhaps? ;)

Aero Manc, my apologies, it was a typo error and indeed was the 24R passing bay adjacent to the hotel. ;)

Slight chaffing? ;)

smooth rubbing...

The way that the taxyways are arranged and given the general layout of Manch it's amazing there hasn't been another incident before.
I can't think of another airfield in the world (and I've seen a few over my twentysomething years of flying) which is so badly organised. World's Favourite Airport .......Yeah right!

Wasn't there a similar occurrence on the other runway 24L
The main discussion point, was the a/c on the holding point at the hold point or stopped short of it?
The main thing that was re-emphasised was that ATC don't 'clear' you to taxi but 'approve' your taxi and ultimately its up to the crew to ensure sepperation

Found the link to the simililar collision
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/factor200602.pdf

Heres a bit from the local rag (Man Evng News)
 

Jets grounded after airport collision

Dean Kirby


The PIA plane on the tarmac
AN investigation has been launched after one plane collided with another on a taxiway at Manchester Airport.

A Pakistan International Airlines Boeing 777 was preparing to take off for New York when one of its wings clipped the tail of a Flybe Dash 8.
No-one was injured but fire crews were despatched to the site of the collision.
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More than 130 passengers on the PIA flight, PK723, had to be put up in hotels overnight while the aircraft was checked over.
Passengers on the Flybe Dash 8, which was heading for Southampton with 43 people on board, were put on other flights as the aircraft's rudder was damaged.
Both aircraft taxied back to the terminals following the incident, which happened at about 1pm yesterday, so that engineers could inspect them.
The PIA plane, which was travelling to New York from Pakistan, was still on the ground at the airport this morning.
A spokesman for the Air Accidents Investigation Branch confirmed it had launched an investigation.
Incident
A spokesman for Flybe said: "Flight BE866 from Manchester to Southampton was involved in an incident at Manchester Airport.
"The Flybe aircraft was holding on the taxiway, correctly positioned and stationary.
"We understand that the Pakistan International Airways aircraft had been given permission to taxi past the Flybe aircraft provided that there was sufficient wingtip clearance.
"The Flybe aircraft was clipped by the PIA aircraft, causing damaged to the rudder. The Flybe aircraft returned to stand and all passengers disembarked without incident."
He said arrangements were made for alternative flights for all passengers on their onward journey and the vast majority of passengers had only suffered a two-hour delay.
He added: "The safety and well-being of our passengers is of paramount concern and Flybe will work with the authorities in an subsequent investigation."
PIA was criticised last year following a number of undercarriage fires on jets landing at Manchester Airport.
A cat also grounded a PIA flight at Manchester for 26 hours last October after it got loose in the passenger cabin.
A spokesman for PIA was unavailable for comment.