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rotornut 15th Dec 2006 01:17

Hairy cross-wind landing...
 
Go to http://www.komotv.com/ then click on "High winds make for a scary landing at Sea-Tac"

Airbubba 15th Dec 2006 03:45

Here's another, as the United captain said years ago at DEN after a crash, "don't worry folks, it's just a freighter" :) :


http://www.cnn.com/WEATHER/9611/28/n...plane.23.2.mov

Brian Abraham 15th Dec 2006 05:38

Anybody with the SEA TAF for this one. Certainly an exciting ride.

sevenforeseven 15th Dec 2006 06:49

My oh my Rotornut who has been on the spotters page, such as www.airliners.net:{

kele 15th Dec 2006 08:50

metar ksea
 

Originally Posted by Brian Abraham (Post 3020871)
Anybody with the SEA TAF for this one. Certainly an exciting ride.


KSEA 150853Z 23040G60KT 5SM -RA BKN025 BKN035 OVC080 06/05 A2922=
KSEA 150853Z 23040G60KT 5SM -RA BKN025 BKN035 OVC080 06/05 A2922 RMK AO2 PK WND 22060/0844 RAE02B44 PRESRR SLP903 OCNL LTG DSNT S P0000 60000 T00610050 53026 $=
KSEA 150828Z 20032G47KT 10SM BKN025 BKN035 OVC080 08/04 A2916

Navy_Adversary 15th Dec 2006 09:07

airbubba
what a great recovery, the pilot looks to have the qualities of ex-US Navy. All he needed to do was drop his tailhook::)

GOLF-INDIA BRAVO 15th Dec 2006 11:18

Bet needed to mop his brow ( and a bit more ) after that
Would winds gusting 60Knts not be over limits even if it was down the runway?
as with it being very gusty and chances of wind shear

G-I-B

Pistonprop 15th Dec 2006 11:22

Winds at 60 degrees to the runway and gusting to 60kts! After the first attempt I would gladly have accepted a change of underwear and a diversion thank you :uhoh:

Middle Seat 15th Dec 2006 13:38

SLF living in Seattle here. Watched the video, (*loathe* that newscaster) but would like it if someone could explain what the TAF is and how to interpret it.

10-Q.

Crowe 15th Dec 2006 14:01

TAF = "Terminal Area Forecast", and they look like this:

LEEDS BRADFORD EGNM 151210Z 151322 29005KT 5000 -RA SCT005 BKN010 TEMPO 1322 3000 RADZ BR SCT002 BKN004

It sets out the weather forecast over a certain period for a certain airport, in this case from 1300 to 2200 on 15 December at Leeds Bradford.

29005KT = wind from 290 at 5 knots
5000 = visibility 5000m
-RA = light rain
SCT005 BKN010 = cloud cover. Scattered at 500ft , broken at 1000ft
TEMPO 1322 3000 RADZ BR SCT002 BKN004 = temporarily, between 1300 and 2220 hours visibility will be 3000m in rain and drizzle, with some fog, and scattered cloud at 200ft, broken at 400ft.

In short it's a lovely day in Leeds!

Loads more here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termina...drome_Forecast

Sheep fancier 15th Dec 2006 19:25


Originally Posted by rotornut (Post 3020698)
Go to http://www.komotv.com/ then click on "High winds make for a scary landing at Sea-Tac"

Check this x-wind landing on PIK's 6000ft r/w21 by a Ryanair 737 -

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...30222&hl=en-GB

then this x-wind take-off by an Atlas 747 on r/w31 -

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...21305&hl=en-GB

jondc9 15th Dec 2006 20:53

the metars posted appear to be for the wrong day

would someone post the exact time of this landing attempt including date, local or z would be fine.

I dare say a tiny bit of over controlling might have been part of the adventure.

and who says pilots don't rock and roll?

Crowe 18th Dec 2006 09:28


Originally Posted by Stpaul (Post 3021935)
Can't believe thats Leeds! Where has the permanent crosswind gone, only 5 kts and light rain. Will have to watch Emmerdale tonight to see how good a prediction it is.:p
Why don't the authorities at LBA build a new runway in the direction of the wind, make it level and fill in any large dips in the middle. I hear Jack Sugden has some land to sell down the road.

Oh, it still has its good days - was in the back of a jet2 737 the other week landing with a crosswind gusting to 49kts...

oceancrosser 18th Dec 2006 11:04


Originally Posted by jondc9 (Post 3022349)
the metars posted appear to be for the wrong day
would someone post the exact time of this landing attempt including date, local or z would be fine.
I dare say a tiny bit of over controlling might have been part of the adventure.
and who says pilots don't rock and roll?

For once I agree with jondc9, the 757 is fairly suceptible to pilot induced oscillations (PIO), there are numerous incidents to show that. However if done correctly the 757 handles well in crosswinds up to 35 kts (tried 50 kts in the sim and it worked...).

jondc9 18th Dec 2006 12:02

ocean crosser

well thank you.

my views were based on this. if the winds were within airline limits for NWA and BOEING when the approach was started (boeing limits probably higher) there would be a good chance that it was within limits crossing threshold. And if properly done would not have resulted in anything less than a successful landing.

While there may have been something extreme going on (which is why I still ask the exact date and time of landing), my feeling is : if you have it on autopilot for most of the flight, your "feel" of the plane is out of whack when you click off the autopilot and over control is possible.

well, the go around looked great and that is the mark of good pilot, knowing when and how to get the heck outta there.

j

slam_dunk 19th Dec 2006 09:05

some more movies on crosswind :

i'd better go-around :rolleyes: :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4je...elated&search=

test flights from Boeing with 747SP and 777:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWEVdEpf3yc

747-400 Singapore airlines:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqWClugh07o&NR

Pilot Pete 19th Dec 2006 10:07


Originally Posted by Crowe (Post 3025423)
Oh, it still has its good days - was in the back of a jet2 737 the other week landing with a crosswind gusting to 49kts...

Are you sure? I hope it wasn't a full crosswind component of 49kts;)

PP

wobble2plank 19th Dec 2006 10:20

Liked the Zurich 14, no doubt ATC called wind down the strip 10 kts, 'cause they ALWAYS call down the strip 10kts bless 'em. Landed on 14 with proported 10kts 140 and in reality still had 25 kts tail at 40 ft.
Swiss, do luv em!

Crowe 19th Dec 2006 10:29


Originally Posted by Pilot Pete (Post 3027251)
Are you sure? I hope it wasn't a full crosswind component of 49kts;)
PP

That's what the tower were quoting apparently, 30 gusting 49 (girlfriend's dad tends to listen in when she's flying), though I presume it wasn't at 90 degrees to the runway!

The Ryanir flight ahead went around and there were quite a few diversions that night (3 Dec) - it was a good ride! The pilot did specifically brief the cabin that a go-around was quite likely and explained what would happen, and I've not heard that before. Good idea though for your more nervous pax.

Pilot Pete 19th Dec 2006 11:58


Originally Posted by Crowe (Post 3027296)
The pilot did specifically brief the cabin that a go-around was quite likely and explained what would happen, and I've not heard that before. Good idea though for your more nervous pax.

Can be a double edged sword for the nervous pax and you have to judge it on the day; the really nervous could get panicked by you telling them that things aren't going to necessarily go smoothly! We can't win......:sad:

PP


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