KLM 737 slides off the runway at AMS
 

Translation from a dutch article:
a 737 slid off the runway and got stuck in the mud with its nosewheel.
Pax disembarked via stairs and transported to terminal with buses.
Heavy rain reported during this time, no injuries:) .
Flight originated from Heathrow.

Maybe his glasses were in the hold!!:hmm:

He probably wasn't able to clean them, because he couldn't bring his cleansing lotion :}

DL

Settle down in the back, and stop disrupting the class for those more conscientious students.

May we please have some more specific info on this? Your opening post is very vague.

Rumours are they overshot or skidded off during taxi.
Seems they also had incident in BCN with a 737 during landing in heavy weather. Aircraft was written off.
Glad nobody was hurt

You are comparing apples and oranges, and your facts are wrong. That BCN accident did not happen in heavy weather; it was due to a mechanical failure of the nosewheel steering mechanism, caused by a birdstrike. The only similarity is the colour of the airplanes.

More images here.

The article linked to with images actually says a spotter referring to restrictions at the departure airport (LHR) joked:

"Maybe they smeared their shampoo over the nosewheel" ;)

Cheers,

Rich.

xetroV
Ok not too sure about the weather in BCN at the time although I landed the same day in heavy rain but the facts are both KLM 737s skidded off the runway after landing, that was my point.

Still apples and oranges: the Barcelona accident happened immediately after touchdown at high speed (80+ knots). Not comparible in any way with this incident, which (judging from the photographs, e.g. this one) happened at a very low taxi speed: the nosewheel of the airplane has barely left the concrete surface of the taxiway, and there seems to be no damage whatsoever.

Moderators, will you please act against those few unruly posters who have nothing of value to offer in this forum. They have no place in a Professional discussion and only disrupt the flow of information and understanding essential to the continued safety in our operations.
Any mishap, however minor has something for us to learn from. Everyone should heed the ‘lessons’ in such incidents, be these technical, environmental or just plain human errors.
Please delete this post to de-clutter this thread after taking action.

Whatever:ugh:

If your goal (like mine) is to learn something from this incident, it doesn't help to compare it with an accident that happened under totally different circumstances. You said these occurances are "similar", but in reality there's little to suggest they are. I honestly thought I was helping you (and others reading this forum) by pointing out the obvious differences, but apparantly you had other intentions when replying to this thread. Whatever, indeed. http://www.xs4all.nl/~olie/fok/smilies/Smilies/puh.gif

They are 'similar' because they are 2 incidents involving KLM 737's skidding off during the landing phase...

I flew into AMS today at around midday. There were some isolated CBs in the area, and the runways were damp/wet. I think a thunderstorm had occured earlier that morning.
In AMS you are spoilt for choice with runways, with no less than 10 or 12 options, all with ILSs, all long and wide, all with good surfaces...
ATC are excellent, and must have a WX radar since they always vector me around CBs.
I guess everyone has bad days...
Would be interesting to know how this happened.

RAT 5 - I wonder who the 'PRAT' is with a name like yours.
I am sorry if I touched a soar nerve. I am not the one responsible for these incidents, just stating (on a rumours network after all) that 2 landing incidents involving the same airline occured recently. What is wrong with that?
You state that this is a forum for professionals to exchange ideas and comments in a professional manner so why are you expressing yourself with a childish and aggressive response.
If you're a pilot, I hope you do not have the same attitude in the cockpit.

euroflyer:

An unreserved apology. Completely out of order.

Rat

shtop making fun of the Dutsh:}

There was me thinking it was Sean Connery!

Sean Connery is Dutch? :}

Come on Moderators, MODERATE. Throw the muppets above off this thread.

For the professionals, see the commentary ‘Runway overruns must be addressed.’

Also, helpful information here ’Overruns on Landing’.

PEI_3721,

The incident occurred while taxiing. It was not an overrun.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/eu...ands.plane.ap/

That is just a piece of journalism I fear.

The aircraft went off the end of the Polderbaan (18R) at low speed and the nosewheel went on the grass. If that is classed as "taxiing" then so be it.

It seems to me, the runway was wet (only wet at Schiphol 6 times a year so we are told) and the aircraft was vacating at V3. For some reason, for the investigation to find out, the braking was too late and the runway too wet. A friend of mine was on board the aircraft as a passenger and apparently there was no reverse thrust until just before the incident.

Either draw your own conclusions or wait for the report to come out. Of course there is absolutely no similarity to the BCN incident in this case.

Incident took place when vacating at V4 (not V3) which is at the very end of the runway.

Any info on what the consequences could be for the crew of this airplane? Also any knowledge on what happened to the crew of the Transavia plane that slid off the runway on 25-12-1997? In this job every day could easily be your last day on the job.:{

Sleeper, V4 is not a runway vacating point for runway 18R. It is a runway entrance for 36L. If the aircraft was trying to vacate at V4 then something had seriously gone wrong as the last opportunity to vacate would normally be V3. The LDA to V3 is something like 3200m. The Polderbaan is the longest runway at Schiphol with almost 4km of concrete.

I suspect that the crew were trying to vacate ANYWHERE (even V4) if it meant they would not go off the end of this very long runway!

http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/06...AM-ADC-A2s.pdf

It is not unusual for landing aircraft to actually aim for an exit at V3 if there's no traffic behind, in view of the long taxi-times from RW18R. In this case, it seems like the crew aimed at V3, but misjudged the braking effectiveness on that part of the runway, where the rain was pooring down. (Note 1: I doubt if the tower had reported braking action being less than GOOD. Note 2: V3 is not a high-speed exit; it is a rather steep turn that has been misjudged by other crews in the past.)

Here is a photo of another aircraft, landing on another runway on that same day; more photo's of the KLM incident are also shown there. Missing V3 is inconvenient for sure, but certainly not catastrophic, as the remaining runway to V4 still offers enough room to correct such a mistake.

It appears that this crew did exactly that: given the fact that the nosewheel entered the grass by only a few feet, their taxispeed at V4 must have been perfectly normal, even cautious. (I can imagine what this crew must have experienced: a few years ago I have personally witnessed a landing in Japan from the flightdeck, where a 150 ton aircraft started to skid uncontrollably towards the grass edge when vacating the runway. That happened at a staggering groundspeed of 4 (four!) whole knots, in conditions with taxiway braking action being reported MED. Differential thrust was needed to bring that aircraft back under control before the nosewheel could enter the grass.)

In case there's still any doubt: this KLM incident bears no resemblence with the BCN and Transavia accidents, since this airplane did not skid off the runway during the landing phase. It skidded off a taxiway during the taxi phase.

Stop Stop Stop

I was just correcting a previous message.
Fact remains that the incident took place at V4.
As to the reason: That is up to the board of inquiery.
Let's hope our law enforcement (OM) stays out of this. They haven't in the past.