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You should post on the SAA - MPL topic......I have a feeling I would agree with your point of view on that subject!!

Somewhat surprised to see the hull still parked ignominiously in the grass off the end of the runway today. Is this a bit like the "don't drink and drive" wreck left in front of the police station every Christmas?

Two's In:
You explain in a nutshell what might have been the scenario with the MD-11 which crashed near Halifax, Nova Scotia. They might not have survived even if they had flown quickly and straight to the nearest suitable runway.

I'm not judging the crew's actions, but from the perspective of their airline's training/checking philosophy and policies, was the highest priority simply completion of the 'smoke in cabin', 'smoke in c0ckpit' procedures, or a safe landing and evacuation? How can both be equal priorities? How many types of jets etc still have the Kapton wiring etc?

Ramstien and the C-5 comes to mind here. Only 4 people survived that one.
Perhaps the military delays site cleanup as a lesson for all to see on how things should not end up as you suggest, Two's in.

On the other hand the airlines are highly motivated to get the debris out of sight for obvious reasons as soon as the site is released.

I think you all overestimate the USAF "lesson teaching" desires. I will be very willing to bet it all comes down to funding, and which department has money in the budget this year to finish cleaning it up and hauling it out. There may also be environmental issues with all of the fuel that was spilled. In any case, I am sure the reason it is still there has everything to do with some form of bureaucracy and little if anything to do with teaching a lesson.

Patrick

Other than the need to cover damaged areas for security/decency reasons, our military (all branches) rarely tries to hide the physical results of an accident. There is that culture of 'you screwed this up and everyone needs to see the results' when it comes to asset losses and damage.

What could be a better explanation? Bureaucracy! Makes perfect sense, Patrick. :ok:

...and yet the video simulation based on FDR & CVR hard data is off limits? :=

At least they should be cannibalizing the cockpit structure to build a procedures trainer. It's just possible MAC could use one. :rolleyes:

"I will be very willing to bet it all comes down to funding"

I was in the Marines so, I can't speak for the USAF but I don't think that's the problem. Clean up for crashes and other unanticipated events are usually included in current budgets at differing levels under discretionary spending or some other similar funding plan. [

I remember once dealing with a large unexpected funding issue for the Marines back in the 90's after the first Gulf War. Large, and I mean large parking lots were set up at a number of Marine Corps western area bases for deploying Marines, sailors and dependents either deploying or going to momma while daddy deployed. Upon return it was found that a majority of the cars had major damage from rabbits eating the insulation. In the course of about a month the Marine Corps dispensed millions to fix the cars. No additional funding was asked for as the funds came from a stunned G-4 operations funding officer.

Only to low clearance personnel and civilians.

Agreed!

They did, but not for a procedures trainer, they did it for a software upgrade lab.
6/6/2006 - ROBINS AIR FORCE BASE, Ga. �(AFPN) -- Now that the C-141 Starlifter has officially retired after 43 years of providing strategic global airlift, those who cared for it are left behind to find a new purpose. The 402nd Maintenance Group software support team is filling the void with a new workload -- the C-5 Galaxy.
The C-141 had already undergone extensive avionics upgrades in the 1990s which had newer cockpits than the C-5. In order to bring the C-5 up to speed, the team will receive the cockpit of the C-5 that crashed near Dover Air Force Base, Del

Off Centerline?
 

Disclaimer: I have never flown anything bigger than a C172. I start ab initio training for ATPL in January '07, but, I do like to read & learn here at PPRuNe.

A question you might like to look at for me. Have a look at the aerial photo of the C5 at the end of the runway and notice the huge skid marks showing the path of the plane/debris and tell me: Does it look like the plane was significantly to the left of the rwy centerline at impact?

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/p...4001/-1/NEWS01

If you click the thumb it will open in a larger frame for better viewing.

As I said, I'm only a mug, but it looks the way I described. Any comments, would be most interested in your thoughts.

Cheers,

ABX

Ps. This thread has been a good read and an education. Thanks.