WHBM - you don't appear to get it! The cancellations are due to lack of crews!!!! Of course the small reduction in aircraft delivered (if there ever was one) is not the cause of this. Indeed if we had MORE aircraft there would be MORE sat on the ramp! :ugh:
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Ley me get this right; bmi change their schedules to operate their 330s from LHR instead of MAN. Commercial decision. BA change their schedules by cancelling flights to Riyadh;commercial decision. Ryanair change their schedule by cancelling flights; commercial decision. * bmi change flights from LHR to Man probable increase in revenue. Probably no decrease in schedule. * Ba to Riyadh, dont know the details possibly security risk but only one route. * 1000 flights in 3 months cancelled with more to likely to come. Suspicious looking excuse given. Aircraft seen sitting idle ( most unlike FR granted ) and it is the same thing? The Real Shady Spin is more like it. |
Originally Posted by OpenCirrus619
Am I missing something?
From what I can see Ryanair cancelled a load of flights but are unhappy that this was reflected on the BAA information boards / site. They were cancelled, so the information is correct - I don't see that it matters if they notified BAA 20 mins or 20 days in advance. If this was a "schedule change" and there was no intention to resume these services then I would agree BAA was at fault. OC619 |
I think Ryanair are fully entitled to blame everybody in sight for adverse publicity, even if it is based on the facts of the situation!
It's whether or not we allow ourselves to be deflected by their spin that matters! Clever pre-emptive strike with the press release in December. Lots believe it. In reality it probably has more to do with having thin loads than the lack of current pilots (which is undoubtedly an issue). To my mind last in the list, at around 152, would come the Boeing strike. Bad Aviation Authority for drawing attention to the scale of the Ryanair scam!!! |
Let's not forget that Ryanair's cancellations will affect the BAA's revenues as well. They gave Ryanair slots for those flights, and those slots are hard to fill when cancelled at a late date. Maybe BAA is keeping those cancellations to make a point?:hmm:
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If Boeing is to blame for cancellations due to late delivery of aircraft, why are there so many sitting idle today? Simple.......no crew to fly them.
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Ryanair denies flight cancellation rumour; says schedule running normally
http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds...fx2457115.html
LONDON (AFX) - Ryanair Holdings PLC has denied a rumour that its flights were subject to widespread cancellation this morning, saying its schedule of flights was operating normally, on time and with no cancellations. In a statement, Ryanair said the false rumour emanated from one of the London investment banks shortly after 7.30 am. 'This rumour was untrue and could have been verified by that bank, had they made any attempt to contact the airline directly, or had they checked Ryanair's flight information page on www.ryanair.com, which confirmed that all Ryanair's early morning departures from London Luton and Stansted airport had departed as normal and on-time,' the Irish low-cost carrier said. 'Ryanair regrets that such a false and inaccurate rumour would emanate from a respected London investment bank without any attempt made to verify the facts either directly with the company or on Ryanair's website,' it added. At 9.26 am, shares in Ryanair were 0.17 eur at 7.71. ------------------------------------------------------- Interesting statement from Ryanair stating that all Ryanair morning departures had departed as normal from Luton seeing that their entire Luton fleet was on the ground until the afternoon. Also worth noting is that the first post here came at 06:30 and that just after 07:30 a London investment bank had also reported the news. I wonder if they read pprune? |
The latest from the STN departures board....
looks like Boeing are going to be sued for a large sum if "Please Contact Your Airline" means what I suspect it does!.... 15:35 FR758 FRANKFURT HAHN AIRBORNE 1539 15:40 FR905 CORK BOARDING 15:55 AB8855 BERLIN TEGEL LAST CALL 16:00 FR436 HAMBURG LUBECK LAST CALL 16:05 FR703 KERRY LAST CALL 16:10 T34725 MANCHESTER LAST CALL 16:15 AB8747 DUSSELDORF BOARDING 16:15 FR1005 NIMES PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 16:20 AB8556 GLASGOW GATE OPEN 16:20 EZY239 EDINBURGH GATE OPEN 16:35 EZY3119 MALAGA GATE OPEN 16:35 FR3012 ROME CIAMPINO PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 16:45 AB8054 MANCHESTER 16:45 FR8363 SEVILLE 16:50 FR415 GLASGOW PIK PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 17:00 FR225 DUBLIN PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 17:00 FR9273 EINDHOVEN 17:10 FR2194 TAMPERE 17:10 FR2316 BRATISLAVA 17:15 EZY3035 BARCELONA 17:15 FR8398 JEREZ PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 17:20 EZY3775 BILBAO 17:20 FR1905 BARI 17:20 FR8351 ALMERIA 17:25 EZY3875 ALICANTE 17:40 FR8325 VALENCIA 17:45 FR105 SHANNON 17:45 FR3848 REUS PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 17:50 FR2436 KRAKOW 17:55 EZY241 EDINBURGH 17:55 EZY3195 LYON SATOLAS 17:55 FR2638 GRANADA 17:55 FR306 SALZBURG 18:00 EZY3567 COPENHAGEN 18:00 FR3014 ROME CIAMPINO PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 18:00 FR968 GOTHENBURG CITY 18:05 EZY517 NEWCASTLE 18:10 E0003 NEW YORK JFK 18:10 FR058 STOCKHOLM SKAVS PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 18:15 EZY3417 MUNICH 18:20 EZY217 GLASGOW 18:20 EZY257 BELFAST 18:25 EZY3627 PRAGUE 18:30 FR312 SALZBURG 18:30 GSM996 GLASGOW 18:35 FR227 DUBLIN 18:35 FR8347 PORTO 18:40 FR8546 BERLIN SCHONEFE 18:40 FR9808 GIRONA BARCELON 18:45 FR2466 SZCZECIN 18:45 FR464 TURIN PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 18:50 FR038 OSLO TORP PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 18:50 FR4198 MILAN BERGAMO 18:55 FR798 VENICE TREVISO 19:00 FR9774 KARLSRUHE BADEN 19:10 FR258 MALMO STURUP PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 19:15 T34727 MANCHESTER 19:20 FR3258 DUSSELDORF WEEZ PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 19:20 FR613 DERRY 19:40 EZY3891 AMSTERDAM 19:40 FR297 DUBLIN 19:40 FR714 AARHUS PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 19:40 FR907 CORK 19:40 FR9904 NEWQUAY 19:45 GSM980 EDINBURGH 19:45 JXX156 KEFLAVIK 19:50 FR438 HAMBURG LUBECK 20:00 DY1307 OSLO 20:00 FR764 FRANKFURT HAHN PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 20:10 4U2337 STUTTGART 20:10 FR293 DUBLIN PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 20:15 AB8449 BERLIN TEGEL 20:15 FR588 PISA 20:20 AB8527 LEIPZIG 20:20 FR1007 AMSTERDAM PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE |
Current situation according to BAA Stansted:
16:35 FR3012 ROME CIAMPINO PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 16:50 FR415 GLASGOW PIK PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 17:00 FR225 DUBLIN PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 17:15 FR8398 JEREZ PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 17:45 FR3848 REUS PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 18:00 FR3014 ROME CIAMPINO PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 18:10 FR058 STOCKHOLM SKAVS PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 18:45 FR464 TURIN PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 18:50 FR038 OSLO TORP PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 19:10 FR258 MALMO STURUP PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 19:20 FR3258 DUSSELDORF WEEZ PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 19:40 FR714 AARHUS PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 20:00 FR764 FRANKFURT HAHN PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 20:10 FR293 DUBLIN PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 20:20 FR1007 AMSTERDAM PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE Seems like more than a 1% cancellation rate to me! (As stated in the December Ryanair press release!) I suspect that even if they were cancelled some time ago, there are still a lot of passengers who will not book with Ryanair again. |
Under new EU compensation rules for cancelled flights this should cost the airline a fortune as I suspect these flights have been available for booking for months. Somehow I don’t think Ryanair will pay up.
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"Ah no, the flight's not cancelled sir. We've just decided not to operate it. But no, it's not cancelled. Oh no. And all the passengers booked on the flight which is not cancelled have been transferred to other flights".
Only in Ireland ........... |
Originally Posted by LTNman
Under new EU compensation rules for cancelled flights this should cost the airline a fortune as I suspect these flights have been available for booking for months. Somehow I don’t think Ryanair will pay up.
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Lots of Ryanair 737's sitting around Stansted today ........
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"......had they made any attempt to contact the airline directly...."
Something which many people have tried to do over the years. Remind me again of the Ryanair Customer Service telephone number? |
Crisis, what crisis! Everything is normal according to a Ryanair spokesman. No doubt BAA Stansted will remove these flights off their screens tomorrow so everything will appear to be normal. But at the end of the day Ryanair will have aircraft sitting around for the next couple of months doing nothing because they can’t recruit enough flight crews. For an airline that prides its self on keeping its costs to a minimum this is a disaster. So what’s this say about Ryanair’s terms and conditions?
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It looks like none of the flights mentioned above can be booked online for next wednesday (I tried three at random). So obviously these aren't new cancellations.
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Cwatters
Don't tell WHBM, he won't like it!! Is it uncommon for flights to be re-scheduled / cancelled or even consolidated by commercial for any number of reasons in advance of the planned operation? It appears if the company involved is Ryanair that any commercial change heralds some meltdown. Why not vent your spleens supporting the BA crews who could see their pensions crumble if the shortfall isn't made up and leave FR alone.:confused: |
Originally Posted by The Real Slim Shady
Is it uncommon for flights to be re-scheduled / cancelled or even consolidated by commercial for any number of reasons in advance of the planned operation? It appears if the company involved is Ryanair that any commercial change heralds some meltdown.
Why not vent your spleens supporting the BA crews who could see their pensions crumble if the shortfall isn't made up and leave FR alone.:confused: It will also be of great interest for Wanabees, who might be able to get a little relief from the 'pay for your type rating' that has riddled the job market since 9/11. So I personally would like to hear as much information as possible regarding what is happening at Ryanair, especially how many aircraft are sitting on the ground each day due to lack of crews. Perhaps those in 'Spotters Corner' would be able to picture them at each airfield and give us a clue of how many fleet wide? PP Edited to add; Do you really think that if BA had lots of aeroplanes sitting on the ground due to lack of crews that they wouldn't be getting a 'spleen venting' on here? |
How true are the cancellation?
Originally Posted by cwatters
It looks like none of the flights mentioned above can be booked online for next wednesday (I tried three at random). So obviously these aren't new cancellations.
I havinglooked at the flights listed by jewitts in his posting at 16.04 and the comments by cwatters, I thought that I would check all the flights listed - here are my results if trying to book for next Wednesday 25th January: 16:35 FR3012 ROME CIAMPINO NOT LISTED 16:50 FR415 GLASGOW PIK NOT LISTED 17:00 FR225 DUBLIN NOT LISTED 17:15 FR8398 JEREZ BOOKABLE 17:45 FR3848 REUS BOOKABLE 18:00 FR3014 ROME CIAMPINO NOT LISTED 18:10 FR058 STOCKHOLM SKAVS BOOKABLE 18:45 FR464 TURIN BOOKABLE 18:50 FR038 OSLO TORP PLEASE CONTACT YOUR AIRLINE 19:10 FR258 MALMO STURUP NOT LISTED 19:20 FR3258 DUSSELDORF WEEZ BOOKABLE 19:40 FR714 AARHUS NOT LISTED 20:00 FR764 FRANKFURT HAHN NOT LISTED 20:10 FR293 DUBLIN NOT LISTED 20:20 FR1007 AMSTERDAM AIRPORT NOT SERVED! As can be seen, there are a number of the flights which have been cancelled for more than 1 week, and the fact that Amsterdam is listed does give me serious food for thought that the BAA had loaded data from slot applications and failed to remove them before the event. This occurance has been known to happen at various airports around the UK. Anyway that is my unbiased penny-worth which has left me taking statements from both sides with a pinch of salt. |
If it's known in advance the flights aren't going to operate then the slots can be cancelled with ACL. Once you cancel the slot or slot pair with ACL, they inform the airports and the flights are removed from the flight screen database. If a flight is active (usually a day or so before ) in the AOS system then the only option left is to show it as cancelled, otherwise AOS will plan stands etc for it. A good example of this is on bank holidays or at Christmas where you will see some airlines with a lot of cancellations on these particular days while others despite operating a reduced schedule don't have any showing as cancelled.
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