Air India Capt fires F/O outstation
 

reliable sources say an AI Capt fired his F/O while on ground on a turnround in OMDB on wednesday 17th Nov. This was after what must have been near fisticuffs in the cockpit. Flight delayed for some time as another F/O on layover was pulled in.
Did somebody mention CRM???:\

Just wondering which section of the CRM manual recommends settling disagreements using your fists? Maybe they fell out over how much Fuel they were going to upload before departure? Still as we all know these things will happen. I was on the Jumpseat one day on Finals working for a certain operator based in Rotterdam when the F/O was doing the landing in an A300,cut a long story short, he f***ed it up but got the A/C on the ground ok, during Taxi in to stand the Capt turned round and punched the F/O hard in the shoulder,said nothing and continued with the after landing checklist. Not another word spoken for the rest of the journey to the hotel!

Flying Mech....

That's from the "Street CRM" manual!

Worse still in the FAA "Ghetto CRM" manual.....the F/O gets shot!!

Word!

:ok:

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Regardless of the veracity of the conjecture of the original post - of which I profer no opinion, as a ground based worker I have occassion to 'fall out' with colleagues.

The ramifications of which , must pale into insignificance in comparison to a similar occurance between flight deck crew.

The more I think about it the more it must say for the professionalism of the aviation industry that they are able to overcome these 'spats' and get us SLF from A to B.

Is there some post flight release mechanism that kicks in and allows them to beat seven shades of ****e out of each other or do they just sod off to the bar for a bevy?

Flying Mech

That wasn't 411A was it?

No, sorry....
 

stilton,

Don't fly Airboos equipment....fortunately.:E

This doesn't say a lot for the Captain's CRM. Since when do Captains have the right to hire and fire? What if the Captain is wrong, but he fires the FO? Not to mention the inevitable delay it must have caused, because he could not find a way to relate to his FO without it causing fisticuffs in the flightdeck.
Most reputable airlines would have this crew in for a "chat" with the Chief Pilot, then a quick run through a CRM course!! You only have to fly with the bloke, not like him!

So much for the possibility that the Capt was right??? :* Who said the Copilot didn't do it with the chandelier in the Library...?

I am all for CRM but (just for laughs) imagine that the copilot did not live up to it? That would really rock this forum, seems that most feel that the Capt. is guilty... no matter who did it.


Pointer :E

Fire away.......

Are you sure he 'fired' the F/O?
 

Never been in such a situation in 28 years of commercial flying.

However if a really difficult situation developed then I would have suspended the F/O, and also suspended myself.

In the U.K. the Captain does not have the power to 'fire' anybody thankfully. Perhaps it is different in other countries and cultures


Regards
Exeng

Finally, a Captain not afraid to exercise his command. :ok:

Firesyok,

Yes, agreed, but what if he was wrong ? What redress does the F/O have ? Let's be fair..................:ok:

I have got very similar situation once. The reqred&ttl fuel was 4000 kg.
Cpt has ordered 3800 kg, my question was "WHY"
The answer was "BECAUSE" etc,etc. Final conclusion was that if I am affraid to fly, I am not supposed to be a pilot.
Is he a CRM-educated cpt? I dont think so, and you?

FAIR...not for the F/O, nor should it be...
 

Yes indeed, sorry outlaw,

The Captain is the boss, contrary to what co-pilots (or indeed BA cabin crew) think...so, sounds like a good idea to me.

Fired for cause.

Of course, if it doesn't hold up to scrutiny during the inevitable investigation...fur will fly in the fleet manager's office...to be sure.

Anyone want a fur coat? :E

Fired for good cause?
 

At last some sense prevails in the world. The Captain is the BOSS, not the F/O, not the CSD, not the No1....

Maybe, just maybe the Captain was right and this was just the final straw!

In this day of PC and CRM and "Thought Police" and Social Engineering etc etc the Captains are fighting back!!

Be on your guard Co-pilots! do as your Captain commands or your days may be numbered!!

Ha Ha have a nice day! :D

Check this little video out.

CRM

411A when he was just a first officer is played by John Wayne. :}

(He was a first officer once, wasn't he?) :bored:

Fire his ass! :p

Fire the sound man too! Note the engines powering up as he throtles back :rolleyes:

Not on heavy jets, oddly enough, cargo boy...direct entry command.
Just the way it is...was.:E