AirTransat vs +ThunderStrom/Hail
 

A couple of weeks ago i notice Air Transats L1011 sitting in a unusual spot on the ramp in LYS, and it has not moved since... so the other day i checked in a bit early and went over to investigate along with AF maintanace. I have never seen anything like it in my life !! it seems that the Capt flew right into a Thunderstrom 20 min after departure :eek:... and had to make an emergency return... the L1011 is a complete WRITE OFF. it must have ran into hail stones the size of basket balls,, broken windows,, destroyed ray dome,, and not just dents but holes in the leading edge and engine nac.
the local DGAC will not allow the machine to be moved..... my question is, does anyone know what happened to the Capt? (Jail? Fired?) :confused:

Don't make the assumption the capt/crew penetrated the core of the thunderstorm, hail most often is found in the peripheral areas (beneath the anvil), and is not easily seen on wx radar...most hail encounters are experienced while operating on the leeward areas (downwind) of convective weather...

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[ 05 August 2001: Message edited by: Capt PPRuNe ]

F * C K!!!!!!

Now I see why the windscreens cost $60,000 each. I'll bet the Captain was really cr*pping himself - no wonder they returned, pronto.

Was this a -500 or one of the -150s?

Guv,
I thought you were all genned up on Tristars.
"Was this a -500 or one of the 150s?"
All the 500's I have seen have a fairing from the top of the fuselage to the bottom of the intake of #2 engine. Have a look at the photo of that area. ;)

Tango, you probably haven't flown alot in the vincinity of thunderstorms or you would know where the hail should be. No one was fired because these things are called accidents and the people on the A/C had alot of experience. Beleve me if they had seen it they would of avoided it. The A/C was one of the oldest on the fleet and was on it's way for retierment next year. So I gess it just goiing to be sooner.

Guv, You should make AT an offer !!!!!!!!! :D

Innuendo - and indeed I do see the Frisbee fairing - which is also fitted to some -40s, 50s, 100s, 150s, 200s and 250s! But wait! -500s don't have doors aft of the wing, do they? Well yes, some do (look at ATA's ex RJ aircraft, which were modified with 4L/R doors from 'longbody' aircraft. I don't know if the Canadian DOT requires the same mod on Air Transat's high density fit.

Which was the reason I asked the question! :D :rolleyes: :D

GUV, it was one of their 150s, C-FTNA :cool:

Aha, I saw the L1011 in LYS, wondered why it had been abandoned. Having arrived in LYS on an E145,how the little Barbie would have faired in such a storm, idread to think :eek:

Thanks, Avman!

Guv,
I must stand corrected. I suppose to conclude because you have never seen it, it does not exist, is asking for it.
Regards, Innuendo

Another a/c from SAS which penetrated a hailstorm recently close to HEL.

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MP

Guv, you can also tell if it is NOT a -500 by the fact that it has the port underfloor window ahead of the wing. No -500's have the lower galley. I know I worked down there for two years on the 100's.

jeese, can't you guys just answer a question without throwing a hissy fit and trying to show how much smarter you are than the rest of the world? Just say "it's a 500 or a 150 and leave it at that. I punish my kids for this kind of behaviour.

...air prox---
And of course you are correct Wondered when someone would notice this. With the FAA, a walkaround inspection is required for the new Captains' type rating, and EVERY item is fair game, including the wheel wells. If you don't know the facts, its FAIL time before you ever get into the aircraft.

For the spotters the No3 engine spinner is a 22B not a 524 so not 500 !

Blah blah blah.

Lessons to those who watch, read and listen.....
Including myself, but not those that know everything!

Cheers anyway WZT!

FYI WANGO!
the capt. wasn't fired, "au contraire", he's back up where he belongs, flying L1011s...
conditions of occurence: IMC, FL170 climbing, on deviations for Wx...
MOF, I think the crew did a great job bringing it back!
...guess I wouldn't want you to be my chief pilot... ;)

Thanks for all that - I missed the UFG window completely and wouldn't know the difference between a -22B and a -524 spinner if it hit me on the head! :D :D :D

That's the great thing about PPRuNe - you learn something new every day!

Hi - sorry I'm late. Speaking as someone who was in row 13 when this happened, I wish to bring the following to everyone's attention.
I don't care what series L1011 it was, what the captain is doing now or where we were in the storm when the hailstones hit: new underwear was required on arrival LYS and that is the last time I sit in row 13.