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Beanbag 15th Mar 2002 17:54

Concorde aborted takeoff
 
See below from the Evening Standard website. Anyone know anything more?. .----------------. .A BA Concorde bound for New York aborted take-off at Heathrow this morning after an engine failure on the runway. . . . .Flight BA001, carrying celebrity passengers including chat show host Graham Norton, was fully booked with many flying to New York for Liza Minnelli's wedding and the city's St Patrick's Day parade this weekend. . .. .More than 90 passengers had to leave the aircraft mid-morning after the 10.30 flight was grounded. . .. .During take-off and just as Captain Paul Douglas called for the aircraft's supersonic engines to have extra thrust, the plane lurched sharply to the left. Captain Douglas immediately aborted and taxied the aircraft off the runway. . .. .It is the second time a Concorde take-off has been aborted since services were restarted last November, having been grounded for 15 months after the crash of an Air France Concorde in July, 2000, killing 113 people. . .. .Captain Douglas initially declined to diagnose the problem but immediately called in engineers to overhaul the aircraft.

Notso Fantastic 15th Mar 2002 21:01

Wow! Really exciting isnīt it? On a day when many aeroplanes will have abandoned take-off (just like any other). Hundreds NOT killed, tons of metal fragments still staying together, damage not done......got any more gems?

rover2701 15th Mar 2002 21:36

BeanBag. .Since when have Captains called in engineers to overhaul the aircraft. He probably and rightly entered the defect in the Tech Log. He would have been debriefed by the maintenance engineers and that was that. They would then have got on with diagnosing the fault and rectifying it. No big deal, it happens. Why make an issue over it

fireflybob 15th Mar 2002 21:47

Yawn......

Hamrah 15th Mar 2002 21:49

My compliments to whoever hacked my profile. I hope I get the opportunity to meet you someday where we can discuss your peurile sense of humour <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> . . . . <small>[ 19 March 2002, 09:08: Message edited by: Hamrah ]</small>

jetfour 15th Mar 2002 21:54

Pilots do job professionally.. .ATC does job professionally.. .Engineers do job professionally.. .Reporter does job.. .Celebs have story to tell at wedding dinner.. .. .The only one I feel sorry for is the Journo. He/she has to do this rubbish every day!. .. .Now there's a job. (:-{)

loggerhead 15th Mar 2002 22:09

NO! Thats brilliant...I saw a plane landing once...

maxalt 15th Mar 2002 22:38

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Captain Douglas initially declined to diagnose the problem...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Tsk Tsk. Poor show. We want an immediate diagnosis old boy. None of this namby pamby 'consultation' nonsense. Use your head man!. .. .Good Lord...I mean it's Lesson 1 on the first page of the 'How to Bluff Your Way as a Concorde Captain' book! Make something up! Never drop your arrogance old boy! Makes the punters nervous, dontcha know, what what.

Beanbag 15th Mar 2002 23:06

Oh give me a f****** break guys, I didn't write the story, I just read it and hoped to find out a bit more from the denizens of PPrune. If I'd lied and said I'd seen the incident, instead of quoting the Standard, I probably would have got at least one informative reply instead of a bunch of sarcasm. Next time I'll know to be devious.

hobie 15th Mar 2002 23:21

True .... many of the words used in the report were "Crap!!!!" ..... however, I appreciate the post as I don't get this particular news paper in my part of the world and didn't hear it from other sources so thanks BEANBAG ..... a small point ..... why don't the more vocal PPRUNE's put together some seminar's on how to report Aircraft Incidents, for the world's media, and save us all a lot of "Depression"

j17 16th Mar 2002 00:30

Beanbag. .would you have said anything if it was a common B737,A319,A320 B757. An aircraft emergency is th e same,irrespective of the type involved, the Concord is just another aeroplane.Forget the sensalism

BahrainLad 16th Mar 2002 01:10

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">During take-off and just as Captain Paul Douglas called for the aircraft's supersonic engines to have extra thrust, the plane lurched sharply to the left.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Do Concorde PF's routinely ask for 50% at line up and then the rest at about (presumably 100kts)? . .. .I think the public should be told.. .. .Or, did any of the reheats' fail to light. Hardly 'Breaking News' is it?

hobie 16th Mar 2002 01:23

After the incident in Paris, I just wonder if a strong pull to the left followed by an aborted take-off would really go down as a "handy party conversation topic" with the passengers ....... maybe some one on board might comment..... . .Two aborted take-offs in a fleet of seven? in the past five months is the last thing that Concorde needs ....... Murphys law I suppose ...... would be interesting to know why they had to abandon the take-offs?

P22 16th Mar 2002 01:33

There is a rumour that, on returning to the gate, the first officer and engineer felt it necessary to discuss the matter with the General Manager Flight Operations.

BahrainLad 16th Mar 2002 02:41

Posted on 'Airliners.net', courtesy of member GDB:. .. . </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> There was a loss of power on No.1 engine, down to about 70% . .OAF, the standby aircraft, was serviceable, but because of the congestion at LHR, it is not often towed over to T4, as happened this morning. . .This congestion was to badly delay getting it towed over from the BA Engineering base to T4, where it could be fuelled, loaded and catered. . .OAD, the BA001 that returned to stand, could not get back on stand until 35 mins after the ATO. . .This event is nothing to do with the mods, but I don't recall a similar event recently. Concorde's dispatch reliability is as good as any BA aircraft, but of course the slightest event makes the press, always has done. Especially with 90 pax onboard like this morning, including a bunch of press and celebs. . .The challenge for BA's JFK engineers will be to turn to BA001 quickly enough to get it away on the BA002, in time to meet LHR's jet ban of 23:00 hrs, otherwise it may have to land at RAF Brize Norton tonight. . .We have a fair idea of what caused OAD's ATO, if engine runs are successful tonight it could standby for tomorrow's BA273, OAE is the front runner for that service. . . </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">

SaturnV 16th Mar 2002 03:56

From the Times of London, whose reporter (along with numerous other journos) was on-board.. ._______________. .Concorde was forced to abort its take-off at. .Heathrow today on a flight carrying journalists and celebrities to New York. Ben Webster, Transport Correspondent of The Times, was on board.. .. ."We were accelerating down the runway for take-off when quite suddenly the plane veered to the right. The captain managed to steer it back to the centre line, but then it veered over to the right once again, which was quite alarming. The. .captain then decided to abort the flight. . .. ."British Airways was trying to show the journalists on board that everything on Concorde was going well since its re-launch and that passenger numbers were holding up. The reality is somewhat different: BA has lost about a quarter of. .all its regular Concorde passengers since it was taken out of service. And this morning's debacle only served to underline this. . .. ."This is the first time that a Concorde has been taken out of service since its re-launch in September and the second time that a take-off has been aborted; the last was on November 18, for a similar reason as today's. . .. ."BA is now checking the problem with the rest of the Concorde fleet, but they have yet to say whether or not they are going to withdraw the fleet from service. . .. ."The fault appears to lie with the fuel control system, which is something of an ongoing problem with Concorde. The fuel going to the engines is still regulated by an analogue computer, whereas other planes have switched over to digital. .computers. . .. ."There seems to be too much fuel being pumped into engine number one on the port wing, causing the plane to veer to the right. . .. ."An apologetic captain came on to the intercom and said: “Not the best of starts this morning, I'm afraid," which is something of an understatement. He has been flying Concordes for 18 years and was obviously deeply embarrassed by the whole episode. . .. ."This is a public relations disaster as most of Fleet Street is on board the plane, as well as guests going to Liza Minnelli's wedding in New York.. As a result it is highly unlikely that this. .incident is going to be overlooked."

VORT&C 16th Mar 2002 04:12

Just a thought........ ."During take-off and just as Captain Paul Douglas called for the aircraft's supersonic engines to have extra thrust, the plane lurched sharply to the left.". .. . "We were accelerating down the runway for take-off when quite suddenly the plane veered to the right. The captain managed to steer it back to the centre line, but then it veered over to the right once again, which was quite alarming.. .. .ONE lurch left, TWO lurches right, and these journo's think we shold respect their integrity!?!? heck they can't even count AND they need Jimmy Crickets wellingtons to know left from right!

strobes_on 16th Mar 2002 04:28

It's a wonder no one from the press reported a straight ahead lurch ? They had every other direction covered. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .Journos will never let the facts get in the way of a good story. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

AtlPax 16th Mar 2002 08:14

You rang?. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

twistedenginestarter 16th Mar 2002 16:21

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Posted on 'Airliners.net', courtesy of member GDB: </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">What's this - We have to go the competition to get any sense?


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